Sandor 459 Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 This thread is for the "creative" minds among us. Lucas and Spielberg (although I expect especially Lucas) have been struggling these past few years not only over a good Indiana Jones IV script, but also over an acceptable premise.Now I don't expect people to write entire scripts to answer the topic-question, but what about presenting what YOU would really like Indiana Jones IV to be about? Perhaps something like 10 sentences would suffice. Just bring out the central story idea that you have in mind. I mean; some of you must have "fantasized" about this kinda sh*t for years: the new Indiana Jones film... I know it's a little chicken of me, but I will present MY idea in a few days. And for all the depressed crankies on this board: it's just for good fun ok? Nothing more, nothing less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,285 Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 BAD IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Im sure this is the same many people did before the prequels, and most of the dissapointment of those comes from this.Just a suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 459 Posted January 21, 2006 Author Share Posted January 21, 2006 So basically what you're suggesting is: don't think, just take in whatever Lucas feeds you so that you will never know better...Curious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 So basically what you're suggesting is: don't think, just take in whatever Lucas feeds you so that you will never know better...Well, it is the state of mind of the average Prequel fan.Thank you for my new signature, Roald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ridan 0 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Ατλαντις... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deimos 0 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Ατλαντις...If by that you mean Atlantis, I agree. I can't think of anything more famous for being lost and having not been found yet (apart from the lost ark and the holly grail, obviously). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ridan 0 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Yeah, Atlantis. (I used Greek because it was first described in Plato's Timaios).Atlantis is one of the most famous of all legends that could be true. I don't want Indy running after Thor's hammer Mjolnir or anything obviously myth when there is something that is possibly true remaining for him to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melange 446 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I can't think of anything more famous for being lost and having not been found yetOh I don't know. There is always Lord Lucan and Shergar This thread is for the "creative" minds among us.Hmmm. Well I thought the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles were more the direction that any potential future films "could" have taken if they had occured years back. Now it's far too late (IMO) for dragging Harrison Ford back for another Indy film. Personally, I was always quite happy with the Chronicles. The series had more time and space to develop his personality, friendships, and the feelings and thoughts that accompanied all his adventures. In the era he lived during the series, everything was much more interesting. Meeting Krishnamurti in India, meeting T.E Lawrence, and Howard Carter. For me, the Chronicles were everything I wanted Indiana Jones to be, after the movies. I suspect Lucas realized that a Younger Indy could be much more interesting a character. A character who is learning, developing, and having a great time along the way. I got fed up with the Nazi theme that re-surfaced in the Last Crusade.And the "Treasure of the Peacock's Eye" was an Indy film in itself. Full of cultural variety, superb action, hilarious humour, but also some deep soul searching in there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,765 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Atlantis is located in the Pegasus Galaxy. Indy won't be able to find it unless he has a stargate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ridan 0 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I can't think of anything more famous for being lost and having not been found yetOh I don't know. There is always Lord Lucan and Shergar This thread is for the "creative" minds among us.Hmmm. Well I thought the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles were more the direction that any potential future films "could" have taken if they had occured years back. Now it's far too late (IMO) for dragging Harrison Ford back for another Indy film. Personally, I was always quite happy with the Chronicles. The series had more time and space to develop his personality, friendships, and the feelings and thoughts that accompanied all his adventures. In the era he lived during the series, everything was much more interesting. Meeting Krishnamurti in India, meeting T.E Lawrence, and Howard Carter. For me, the Chronicles were everything I wanted Indiana Jones to be, after the movies. I suspect Lucas realized that a Younger Indy could be much more interesting a character. A character who is learning, developing, and having a great time along the way. I got fed up with the Nazi theme that re-surfaced in the Last Crusade.And the "Treasure of the Peacock's Eye" was an Indy film in itself. Full of cultural variety, superb action, hilarious humour, but also some deep soul searching in there too.Indeed. TPE was an amazing film, especially for what it came from.But I enjoyed TLC, even with the Nazis. It would figure that, if Hitler was indeed searching the world for artifacts, he wouldn't stop with one mysterious defeat. (I.e. the ending of ROTLA.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMan 0 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 how about the plot of SAHARA, National Treasure, or Davinci Code into one? THey seem to be the most far fetched:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvader518 0 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Atlantis was the premise of the Game Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis.How about the Spear of Destiny (the third famous Biblical lost artifact)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrongBad992648 0 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Indiana Jones and the Failed Quest for the Fountain of YouthHaha...alright, now that I got that out of the way....I would love to see something horror-ish with Indiana Jones. Not neccessarily a monster per say...but maybe something in Romania researching a certain Vlad the Impaler? I just think it would be neat for Indy to deal with a cult of followers not praying to Mola ram. That could maybe tie into the whole immortality thing...which in all seriousness, would work well with Ford's age as youth is obviously a bit more pressing for Indy at this point.Also, although it's easy to discredit...I think the script with Indy dealing with "martians" or aliens is kind of a neat idea. It wouldn't really work well with the other films...unless you tied it to faith or religion some how...but hey...in the 50s...government coverups...the russians...it could work...and be a cool new direction.Also, another idea would be to have Indy meet a wealthy...if not a bit out there...old man...who invites him to a lost island. Only for Indy to discover a land filled to the brim with exctinct animals. All goes well until they get loose..............The tagline could be "You angered Sheeva...now hold on to your butts!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymenard 35 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 You need to have Nazi as the bad guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 126 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Indiana Jones and the Failed Quest for the Fountain of Youth MacGyver already found that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,519 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 You need to have Nazi as the bad guys.Nazis are essential for a proper Indiana Jones movie experience. They are the perfect bad guys. Evil to the core, unscrupulous, can goose step and wear grey uniforms (well the desert troops had sand colored clothes) . And no one is terrified if Indy beats them up or maims them or pulverizes them since they are Evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,248 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Well Nazis won't quite work if it's set in the 50s, as it is rumoured to be. Unless it's Indiana Jones and the Last Neo-Nazi Stand. And let's face it, not having Ford play anything close to his own age is going to look ridiculous and unconvincing.He can cross over with Bond - all the bad guys being Russian/KGB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,765 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I'd rather Indy go up against the most evil German in history, Kaiser Wilhelm II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,519 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Oh that comment was not made in the most serious way and I know the new Indy has to be set further in time so the Nazis are not there to harass him. But where would you find bad guys you love to hate so much? It would be funny if Indy would find out a group of Neo Nazis has harbored vengeance against him for years and now that he is old they would finally make their move Perhaps an excentric billionaire planning to take over the world would suite Indy as it has for Bond movies. Old trick I know but what would be a good bad guy/organization. Russians and KGB seem little too Bondish for Indy IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis is something that had always disappointed me in a certain way. This was one of the best (if not the best) classic graphic adventure by LucasArts. The story was so deeply developed, that a movie out of it could have turned out to be amazing.They never made a new movie after LC because of the lack of good scripts?? Damn, with FoA they had an high developed plot. They only had to build a script starting from that story. It wouldn't have be difficoult, since a big portio of the work was already done.We'll never know how John Williams could have scored Atlantis, and that's is something that will always disappoint me! Think about it. The 3 Great Composers of the gold years of LucasArts (of course I'm talking about Michael Land, Clint Bajakian and Peter McConnell) did a wonderful soundtrack, and if I think that I could have a Williams score out of this movie, and I don't have it... censored !!!Also,You need to have Nazi as the bad guys.Indeed. Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis had sooo many Nazis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deimos 0 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis is something that had always disappointed me in a certain way. This was one of the best (if not the best) classic graphic adventure by LucasArts. The story was so deeply developed, that a movie out of it could have turned out to be amazing.They never made a new movie after LC because of the lack of good scripts?? Damn, with FoA they had an high developed plot. They only had to build a script starting from that story. It wouldn't have be difficoult, since a big portio of the work was already done.I agree. I always loved the game, and its plot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,285 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Stefan and Roald:Nobody guess about X-men3 or the next spiderman movie or the superman one and many sequels out there. Those movies mostly end to be pure classics and marvelous...And the average PJ's LOTR fan: don't think, just take in whatever Jackson feeds you (changes in the plot, characters...) so that you will never know better... You are very complacent with those movies so come on, dont bash other people for it...But do what you want, put the standards too high again.BTW the badguys will be possibly the Russians. They already are in IJ and the Infernal Machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 And the average PJ's LOTR fan: don't think, just take in whatever Jackson feeds you (changes in the plot, characters...) so that you will never know better... You are very complacent with those movies so come on, dont bash other people for it...Will I never know better?I've read the book the films were based on some 6 or 7 times.So I am well aware of the large amount of differences between the films and the novel.In some cases I aprove of the changes, towards some I feel indifferent and others I could have done without.But don't tell me that I brainlessly accept anything PJ feeds me.Not sure about Roald though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,285 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I think this is the 1st time you have said you could have done without some parts of the movies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 You have a very selective memory, don't you?The LOTR films are great, but they definatly are not perfect.Among the things I thought were handled badly were the Arwen sub plot in ROTK.Especially Elrond just popping over to see Aragorn in Rohan.But there are many other examples.This is not a LOTR thread however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,285 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 yeah i must have a selective memory i suppose, sorry.INDY IV for 2007! (going back on topic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 yeah i must have a selective memory i suppose, sorry.Bird-brain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,285 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 humpf! Indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 459 Posted January 22, 2006 Author Share Posted January 22, 2006 Nobody guess about X-men3 or the next spiderman movie or the superman one and many sequels out there. Those movies mostly end to be pure classics and marvelous...X-Men? Spiderman? Superman? Classics and marvelous? With the exception of Spiderman 2 I wouldn't call any of those films (especially the sequels) "classic" or "marvelous". Perhaps I misunderstood your point. And the average PJ's LOTR fan: don't think, just take in whatever Jackson feeds you (changes in the plot, characters...) so that you will never know better... You are very complacent with those movies so come on, dont bash other people for it... What Stefan said. That's my opinion too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,638 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Cool, another thread turned into a Lucas vs. PJ free-for-all ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,285 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Nobody guess about X-men3 or the next spiderman movie or the superman one and many sequels out there. Those movies mostly end to be pure classics and marvelous...X-Men? Spiderman? Superman? Classics and marvelous? With the exception of Spiderman 2 I wouldn't call any of those films (especially the sequels) "classic" or "marvelous". Perhaps I misunderstood your point. Im not speaking about you there.Many people love this movies, and they are the movies of their lives, and IMO they are just popcorn ones...and you dont see any forums dedicated to their bashing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Bad example.There are plenty of people out there who thought the Spiderman films are overrated.The X-men films are only a few years old, so they can hardly labeled true classics yet.As for the Superman sequels..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,285 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Bad example.There are plenty of people out there who thought the Spiderman films are overrated.Outclassed by people who think the contrary, unfortunately.And i was speaking about superman returns, sure i will have mindless fans to praise it.I didnt had in mind those obscure Superan sequels... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 And i was speaking about superman returns, sure i will have mindless fans to praise it.Yes, just like there are fanboys praising anything George Lucas has done, or fanboys that praise every word Rowling writes to paper.Hell you can serve crap on a platter and there always will be one fool who will eat it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,285 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 And i was speaking about superman returns, sure i will have mindless fans to praise it.Yes, just like there are fanboys praising anything George Lucas has done, or fanboys that praise every word Rowling writes to paper.Howard the duck sucks (and it is about a bird). Luke, not one of them LOLHell you can serve crap on a platter and there always will be one fool who will eat it.Like that new coffee made from the digested (and excreted of course) coffee grains of a small mammalian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin 2 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Indiana Jones and The Quest For The Complete Temple of Doom.Indy teams up with Micheal Mattesino to seek out and recover the original recording tapes from the evil Paramount Records Company.Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Well I really don't want this film to be made but some ideas for a 4th could be:Noah's ArkIndiana could go after the Loch Ness Monster. Atlantis is a good choice. Since Spielberg already did JP the search for a lost world might or might not be a good idea.Maybe the search for some lost civilation in South America.The UFO crash in Roswell, New Mexico could be an option although it doesn't have much to do with Archeology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ridan 0 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Hmm... The Ark could work. But wouldn't it be confused with the other Ark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 To all the choices said by Mark, only 1 is really good: Atlantis.The "search for some lost civilation in South America" one would be great too, but Indy has already been in South America, so it's better to do something completely new.And with Atlantis they already have a lot of locations and a good portion of the plot! 8O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melange 446 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Indiana could go after the Loch Ness Monster. Who would be his enemy? Disgruntled Scots with Claymores and sharpened Bagpipes, angry that he's going to discover the truth and screw up a lucrative tourist industry? I can imagine the scene now. James Horner's celtic score, and Indy running for his life across the Highlands, with a marauding mob of Scots with shaven heads wearing steel toe capped boots and kilts, throwing broken beer bottles and Hassis at Indy, shouting - "I dinna ken what ye'r doin roond her ya arrogant American b*****d, but let yer mates know that we'll kick all yer f*****g heads in if you tell anyone 'boot wee broon nessie bein' noot' but a myth!!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashinyobject 0 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 how bout the search for Solomon's Mines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Or the tables of the Ten Commandaments.Nah, screw that. Gimme Atlantis all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRuleOfThirds 0 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I think it'd be cool if Indy had to go recover some Byzantine/Germanic artifact that is thought to be somewhere close to a hotbed of Communist activity. Of course it'd have to give the Soviets some kind of supernatural power that they'd want. What could that be? Let's say it messes with peoples' minds, somehow. Like it could search their hearts and find what scares them and it scares them so bad they die. Or turns them to stone. Either way, with a Western hero going against the Communists...it'd give Spielberg a better chance of indulging himself with the Bond homages a la CMIYC. 8O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,285 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Or the tables of the Ten Commandaments.Nah, screw that. Screw it indeed. You know what Moses stored in the ark of the covenant right? And i think it is the dust inside the ark in raiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 85 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I'd like too see what I always expected Indy to do but what actually isn't that much in any of the three films, namely, probing old labyritnths with torches and with some nice girl with him, much like the catacomb sequence from TLC, or the final sequences in National Treasure.Locations would be nice if set in different continents, like Raiders. I think of old civilazations in South America, Piramids in Egypt (The Mummy contained scenes that should be in an Indy film, but of course not over the top like in that movie), and tombs in China (where the landscape can be very misterious).Also I'd like a more serious tone, not the slapstick like in TLC, and a historically correct setup. I'd love Indy to meet some more important historical figures, in a mythical way, like in Ben Hur.Storyline should be coherent, a search for an existing artifact would be appropriate, for whi9ch Indy has to travel to all those countries in order to meet people and gather clues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 55 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 No the ultimate movie would have Indy being wrongly accused as George Kaplan, coming face to face with the villain Jean-Claude Van Damme, ridiculed in the elevator by his father "You men aren't gonna kill my shuun, are youuu???", framed for murder at the United Nations, meeting and falling in love with blonde bimbo Calista Flockheart, dodging cropdusters in the middle of nowhere, the auction scene where Indy bids to get his bullwhip back, and the final showdown with the villains atop Mount Rushmore. Good job I haven't made this movie yet...it's gonna be greeeaattttt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 85 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I don't see why people can't be serious? It's so easy to turn a thread like this in a who can think-of the-best-slapstick-plots. Please try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Or the tables of the Ten Commandaments.Nah, screw that. Screw it indeed. You know what Moses stored in the ark of the covenant right? And i think it is the dust inside the ark in raiders.Oh, finally someone noticed my joke! If it wasn't for the Ten Commandaments, I'd love to see Indy looking for that chalice that Jesus used once. 8O Or maybe some brilliant stone stolen by evil enemies.Don't know, just guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeshopk 8 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 The premise doesn't matter. The object indy is after is not central to the entertainment value of the movie. It is the conflict and adventure, and the way it is directed that matters.Hitchcock always called the thing that the characters were after the "macguffin". He just a made up word that showed that it was just a "thing" that was needed to be sought by two opposing parties in order to catapult the adventure. In Raiders, the "macguffin" is the Ark. In temple of doom, the Sankara Stones, etc.Of course, the macguffin should make sense to the plot and have some intrigue. Spielberg gave the macguffin the character of God in the 1st and 3rd films, so the macguffin was also a sort of spiritual quest.SO whether it is Atlantis or UFOs, that is nothing to base an opinion on. It isn't the premise that matters, but the handling of the conflict that leads to entertainment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 55 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Thank you for pointing that out to me. I needed that cinema theory lesson. I thought "macguffin" was another McDonalds by-product. "Can I have a McChicken sandwich, extra large fries, a McFlurry and 2 McGuffins to go please." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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