Quintus 5,391 Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 "SUP-ER---MAN, ITS SUP-ER-MAN"Did he write his fanfare theme consciously this way? Or is it coincidence? The same can be said of Star Wars: STAAAR- WAAARS etc. Even Bill Murray parodied this particular theme years ago on Saturday Night Live via song. Is this the way Williams writes a lot of his themes, or am I just finding happy coincidences? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Richard Donner seems to think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 480 Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 I don't think the Star Wars one is really that intentional, but I'm always very, very tempted to yell out "SU-PERMAN!" along with the music.Also, I remember someone posting lyrics to the Raiders march that started with something likeIndiana, that's his nameHunting treasures, is his favorite gameetc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 44 Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 The best instance of this is the score to the original Hammer film of Dracula (1958), which was released as Horror of Dracula in the States. The main theme is three syllables, the first is a long note on a high pitch, then the next two the same pitch but an octave lower. The rhythm (in 2/4 meter) is a dotted quarter, then an eighth and a half note both an octave lower. "Draaaaaa cu laaaaaaaaaa" It's blatant, but very effective and memorable. Music score by James Bernard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 49 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Korngold's score to Anthony Adverse uses a syllabic main theme: "No Father, No Mother, No Name" on the trumpets and glockenspiel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 People have suggested that the 3-note stone motif from SS/PS refers to the three syllables of Vol-de-mort.Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 480 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I've never heard of that. Seems a bit odd, seeing how it is quite clearly the stone motif in PS. I guess it's... possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 1,931 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I think you guys are digging to much into this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futuremartymcfly 0 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I definitely agree with the Superman, i had noticed that too a while ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 5,520 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Reminds me of Goldenthal's Batman Forever. There's this repeated two-note brass blast, which just screams Bat-maaaaan.Marian - Deep Blue (George Fenton) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Composer_Fan 2 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 People have suggested that the 3-note stone motif from SS/PS refers to the three syllables of Vol-de-mort.Ray BarnsburyWow, I never even thought of that one!I had heard about the Superman syllables thing, but I don't know if he meant for it to be that way or not. I like those lyrics for Indiana Jones! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I've never heard of that. Seems a bit odd, seeing how it is quite clearly the stone motif in PS. I guess it's... possible.A lot of people mistake it for Voldemort's theme, though. Especially with its very qestionable use in CoS.As for Williams' themes in general, I recall Michael Matessino commenting on the "lyrical" nature of the themes in Superman on the Rhino complete score release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana_Fett 0 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Is Voldemort's that 15-note motif played throughout the Face of Lord Voldemort? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendal_Ozzel 32 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I've always figured that if the Superman thing wasn't intentional, John may have at least done it subconciously.BTW, welcome back, John Crichton! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Vincent 8 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 OK now, what about Jaws ?Jaws - jaws - jaws - jaws - jaws - jaws - jaws - jaws - jaws - jaws - jaws - jaws - jaws - jaws - jaws - jawsJaws - jaws - jaws - jaws - jaws - jaws - jaws - jaws - jaws - jaws - jaws - jaws - jaws - jaws - jaws - jawsSeriously, I really can't believe that John Williams wrote any theme in that way. If he wanted to do that, then he could write directly a song instead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 459 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Didn't the lines notes of the Rhino Superman discs say that the SU-PER-MAN thing was done intentional? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 480 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Reminds me of Goldenthal's Batman Forever. There's this repeated two-note brass blast, which just screams Bat-maaaaan.Like in the Adam West series?- Marc, who thinks that is one of the greatest opening themes ever, if only for its camp value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futuremartymcfly 0 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Is Voldemort's that 15-note motif played throughout the Face of Lord Voldemort?yeah, and its also played during the Quidditch match, and when Tom riddle scrambles his name into "I am lord Voldemort" in Cos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Didn't the lines notes of the Rhino Superman discs say that the SU-PER-MAN thing was done intentional?Michael Matessino, in the liner notes says the notes are.."melodically arranged in such a way that the listener is almost compelled to sing the word Superman as if it were a lyric."Richard Donner, on the DVD featurette, said "The day we went into a recording and we ran the opening credits, and as "Superman" came on the screen, I swear to God, if you listen carefully, it literally, the music speaks the word..." and then they play the Ba-Ba-BAAAA! of the theme.So, it seems everyone gets the same idea of the music, but it doesn't say it was intentional, and Williams, to the best of my knowledge, has never come forward and solidified this argument.Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 5,520 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Reminds me of Goldenthal's Batman Forever. There's this repeated two-note brass blast, which just screams Bat-maaaaan.Like in the Adam West series?Kinda, but even weirder.Is Voldemort's that 15-note motif played throughout the Face of Lord Voldemort?yeah, and its also played during the Quidditch match, and when Tom riddle scrambles his name into "I am lord Voldemort" in CosFace of Voldemort, and, iirc, also the CoS bit, actually feature both the You-Know-Who and the Voldemort themes.Marian - who keeps saying that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olivier 5 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 And how about The Imperial March?Dath Va-der, DathVader, DarthVaderIntentional, semi-intentional, consciously or subconsciously, however it was written, it does fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futuremartymcfly 0 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 the imperial march seems to be spoofed alot in that matter, i've heard plenty of people sing it as Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb-de Dumb Dumb-de Dumb and so on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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