Howard Shore's An Unexpected Journey (Hobbit Part 1)

[Barnald 437]

Doug is answering questions on his blog again. Obviously his hands are tied, but I thought this one response was interesting:

QUESTION: Is it possible anything from the theatrical edition music will be changed for the extended cut. For instance in FOTR, Frodo's run down to Gandalf at the beginning is muted in original while it has music in the EE. Or will any of the music already in the film for parts, be altered?

I'll say it upfront: I'm guessing you can't answer.

DOUG: Good guess. You'll see in a few weeks/months why I had to sign so many NDAs for the EE.

Maybe I'm looking into it a bit too much, but it sounds kind of promising.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Barnald 437]

Indeed it doesn't, but perhaps they might have changed the score for existing scenes and messed up the music for the added scenes? It would make sense.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,383]

These were edited in the film?

I cant say I noticed.

[Barnald 437]

If they were only to make one change, I'd hope it would be to restore the original composition to the Gandalf/Galadriel sequence. The rest don't bother me half as much.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Barnald 437]

There's also this on his twitter account:

Doug Adams ‏@DougAdamsMusic 15h

@DestroyTheAbyss I've signed 2 NDAs related to The Hobbit TE, and 4 or 5 related to the EE. I think they want me to stay quiet for now.

I'm surprised he'd have to sign so many NDAs for the EE specifically. But then I guess everyone involved probably does.

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[BloodBoal 8,711]

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[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Barnald 437]

What if they replaced the Eagles music from the film though? I think the general consensus is that people prefer that to what's heard in 'A Good Omen'. Certainly, it seems to be the most demanded of the unreleased material.

However much I hope, and try and read something in these comments, I think BloodBoal is right. I just can't see any drastic changes, or even minor ones, for the EE. I think Doug just has to be coy about everything at this point due to the nature of the NDAs. I mean he can't even tell us about the bonus tracks, and it's fairly apparent 3 of them have nothing to do with the EE.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[Jay 46,241]

I disagree - I hope the DOS OST is filled with even MORE alternates - as many as possible! - since the eventual CRs will be the film versions. Might as well get as many alternates out now so we don't have to wait 5 years for a Rarities CD that might not even come.

[gkgyver 1,647]

I would love for them to fix every single edit in the score, but I don't think that's realistic if the Elrond scene is an indication. But something must be in the bushes when Doug says we will definitely see why so many NDA contracts.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,383]

I disagree - I hope the DOS OST is filled with even MORE alternates - as many as possible! - since the eventual CRs will be the film versions. Might as well get as many alternates out now so we don't have to wait 5 years for a Rarities CD that might not even come.

Are CR's guarenteed?

[Jay 46,241]

Nope!

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Jay 46,241]

Well, it's not like any CRs will come out until 2015 or later anyway.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Jay 46,241]

It's my most anticipated CD of 2013! (Sorry, J-Dub!)

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Jay 46,241]

Oh, I definitely think so. AUJ featured so many returning characters and locations, so much of the score was re-working the Shire, Hobbit, Saruman, Lothlorien, Rivendell, Mordor, and Ring themes. Film 2 should only briefly reference those, and contain MANY new themes - for Beorn, Thranduil (which I think we might have been introduced to in My Dear Frodo, incidentally), Tauriel, Bard, Smaug (No way his theme in AUJ is the only one he gets), Dain, Mirkwood, Laketown, Erebor (I know there already is an Erebor theme, but it's more of a longer/reminiscent theme, I think the mountain or at least their kingdom in it may get another theme), plus maybe others. Huge potential for a great score here!

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[Jay 46,241]

I prefer the album versions to the film versions in every regard (I'm referring to when entire cues were re-done, not when cues were micro-edited)

[Barnald 437]

Doug Adams ‏@DougAdamsMusic 8m

None of my smilies in the http://MusicofLOTR.com chat yesterday were indicating that music has been changed the The Hobbit EE

Doug Adams ‏@DougAdamsMusic 7m

I just like smilies. Sorry message board pundits!

At least we've still got the 'you'll see why in a few weeks/month' bit to cling to...

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[Barnald 437]

It shouldn't surprise. Doug's posted on here before.

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[Barnald 437]

It seems he's familiar with all the conspiracy theories so he probably keeps abreast of our ramblings. I imagine they provide good entertainment value.

[KK 3,313]

He stops by here pretty often during the heights of messageboard paranoia, just to leave enigmatic clues that ask more questions than they answer (which naturally makes everyone freak out more). I think he enjoys it

Doug Adams ‏@DougAdamsMusic 8m

None of my smilies in the http://MusicofLOTR.com chat yesterday were indicating that music has been changed the The Hobbit EE

Doug Adams ‏@DougAdamsMusic 7m

I just like smilies. Sorry message board pundits!

I KNEW IT! I've stopped getting my hopes too high with everything related to this franchise a year ago.

BloodBoal - who just said in the other thread that he expects the DoS score to be better than AUJ in every aspect.

Yes, PJ taught me a very important lesson that day...taper your expectations!!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,383]

It's not like there was that much changed in AUJ anyway.

Apart from a few microedits etc, Shore's vision remeans very much intact.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,383]

With the exception of the Nazgul Choir, Gondor Reborn and The Breaking, there is nothing that takes me out of the film.

[tannhauser 101]

And even those didn't take me out of the film. I enjoyed every minute of it.

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Jay 46,241]

There's no chance it's an alternate for the no admittance scene, and I was surprised when I was checking out your revised Old Friends videos that you still had it synced there.

The deleted took party scene is as good a guess as any until the EE comes out.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Jay 46,241]

Nah.

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Sharkissimo 1,978]

What is represented by the ominous motif that goes C to Ab then up to B and down to G - followed by C Ab Bb G F#? It's like a reworking of the descending third motif.

[Rachael Foley 10,162]

The Descending Third has numerous variations in AUJ, representing, Azog, the Necromancer/Sauron and the shadow growing over Mirkwood, and the more traditional setting applied to the Witch King of Angmar (and, by extension the other 8 Nazgul).

[Jay 46,241]

What is represented by the ominous motif that goes C to Ab then up to B and down to G - followed by C Ab Bb G F#? It's like a reworking of the descending third motif.

What track on the OST can I hear it in?

[KK 3,313]

What is represented by the ominous motif that goes C to Ab then up to B and down to G - followed by C Ab Bb G F#? It's like a reworking of the descending third motif.

That's basically what it is. Reworking a of the descending thirds and the Mordor skip beat is used to allude to the Necromancer/Sauron without stating the theme directly.

[Incanus 5,890]

With the exception of the Nazgul Choir, Gondor Reborn and The Breaking, there is nothing that takes me out of the film.

Yeah those are the main offenders really.

So what have I missed in these past 2 weeks? I was without an internet connection the whole time on my holiday.