It's all Spielberg's fault!

[Jay 37,249]

Johnny didn't have time write cues for the final battle in Attack of The Clones or rewrite other cues to match the final picture because he had to do Minority Report for Spielberg

That same year, he didn't have time to finish writing and then conduct and record Chamber of Secrets because he had to do Catch Me If You Can for Spielberg

In 2004, the Prisoner Of Azkaban cues were all written to an earlier, longer cut of the film, as evidenced by how cut down they all are in the final film, because he had to do The Terminal for Spielberg

Then in 2005, they had to purposely plan on tracking in music from TPM and AOTC into some scenes in Revenge of the Sith because he had to do War Of The Worlds for Spielberg.

The clashes with the Star Wars movies are especially odd considering how good friends Georgie and Spielberg are...

[King Mark 3,624]

yes,i noticed that whenever a Star Wars film comes out a Spielberg one comes out a few weeks after that ,making Williams do a rush job on Star Wars. ..then Spielberg doesn't make a movie for a few years when Williams schedual is all clear...

[Koray Savas 2,251]

I'd take Minority Report and Catch Me If You Can over Attack Of The Clone and Chamber Of Secrets any day.

[King Mark 3,624]

No, I would have preferred non rushed CoS and AotC scores

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

It's just HP and SW.

[indy4 155]

But JW wouldn't even be scoring SW were it not for Spielberg.

[Trent B 337]

Actually someone named Valentinice posted this recently on FSM...

I have it on VERY RELIABLE sources that Williams did indeed compose a "major action cue" for the arena battle "Clones", but the scene became so hacked up and changed that the music no longer fit. That's when the decision to track it with previously recorded music was made. I learned this information very recently after running into someone who worked on the scoring.

I don't know any more details, but I will do my best to find out more.

I asked him if he was sure if it wasn't the "Love Pledge / The Arena" he was thinking about and he replied to this.

I'm positive. Jeff's (understandable) sarcasm aside, I was told it was a "major action cue" that was to play over a majority of the arena battle sequences that were ultimately replaced with tracked music. Not sure why none of it made it to the video games (although it may be there and we haven't noticed it).

As I said, take it how you will. I hope to get some more details over the Holiday brea

If this is true...I'd love to hear that music.

Edit:

Then in 2005, they had to purposely plan on tracking in music from TPM and AOTC into some scenes in Revenge of the Sith because he had to do War Of The Worlds for Spielberg.

I doubt the schedule for War Of The Worlds had anything to do with it. It was determined from the very beginning those scenes were going to have tracked music instead of new music, probably because they were mostly CG and they weren't gonna be finished in time for the spotting sessions took place for the score.

[Valentinice 20]

Hi Everyone!

I'm not a liar - as is my reputation on FSM - and I hope to find out more details soon.

I want to get to the bottom of this just as much as you guys.

[King Mark 3,624]

That's not the story we got at the time of the release of AotC , and it was even said there was nothing recorded for those scenes by those who follow these things closely (like John Takis)

[scissorhands 16]

Yeah, it's all Spielberg's fault, as if the lapse of time between the recording sessions (february) and the release of the movie (end of may) had nothing to do with tracking and stuff.

[Bryant Burnette 654]

Minority Report = vastly superior film to Attack of the Clones

Catch Me If You Can = vastly superior film to Chamber of Secrets

Therefore, I'll accept the rush-jobs, and be thankful for them.

[MissPadmé 17]

Minority Report = vastly superior film to Attack of the Clones

Catch Me If You Can = vastly superior film to Chamber of Secrets

Therefore, I'll accept the rush-jobs, and be thankful for them.

ahh yes true, I haven't seen it that way.

[Neimoidian 14]

Spielberg has exploited the man so much (especially in the 70s and 80s), that he now has real difficulty with coming up with shiver-inducing music on regular basis as he would in the past. Damn you Spielberg

[Charlie Brigden 7]

Spielberg has exploited the man so much (especially in the 70s and 80s), that he now has real difficulty with coming up with shiver-inducing music on regular basis as he would in the past. Damn you Spielberg

I don't know whether this is sarcastic or not, but in any case, you sound like one of those fascist-feminists obsessed with the porn industry and how all those (incredibly highly-paid and industry driving) starlets are "exploited."

I say thank you Spielberg. You've helped give us some of the greatest scores ever written, so I'm not going to hold the scores for Harry Potter movies and a terrible Star Wars film against you.

[Josh500 1,615]

But JW wouldn't even be scoring SW were it not for Spielberg.

Exactly, that's what I was gonna say.

Spielberg has exploited the man so much (especially in the 70s and 80s), that he now has real difficulty with coming up with shiver-inducing music on regular basis as he would in the past. Damn you Spielberg

I don't know whether this is sarcastic or not, but in any case, you sound like one of those fascist-feminists obsessed with the porn industry and how all those (incredibly highly-paid and industry driving) starlets are "exploited."

I say thank you Spielberg. You've helped give us some of the greatest scores ever written, so I'm not going to hold the scores for Harry Potter movies and a terrible Star Wars film against you.

Agreed.

Minority Report = vastly superior film to Attack of the Clones

Catch Me If You Can = vastly superior film to Chamber of Secrets

Therefore, I'll accept the rush-jobs, and be thankful for them.

Couldn't disagree with you more.

Catch Me If You Can is a fun score, but its main theme is not on the same level as Fawkes the Phoenix or Chamber of Secrets or The Flying Car. The score to CoS as a whole suffers, I give you that, but it's still a top-notch effort considering the short time he had for writing it.

I love MR, but I still prefer AotC over it.

[Williamsfan301 11]

I thought that the reason cues from TPM were tracked into the final battles of AOTC was because the CGI wasn't done and JW had nothing to write to

Wow. Could I have put anymore abb. in there?

[Jay 37,249]

Yeah, it's all Spielberg's fault, as if the lapse of time between the recording sessions (february) and the release of the movie (end of may) had nothing to do with tracking and stuff.

I thought that the reason cues from TPM were tracked into the final battles of AOTC was because the CGI wasn't done and JW had nothing to write to

Guys, that's exactly my point! Because he had to do Minority Report, the AOTC recording sessions had to be in February instead of, say, April, so he didn't have those extra 2 months to write more music to a more final version of the film

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

Even back in 1997, when Williams was probably going to re-score scenes for the Special Editions (we've seen the interview about the Imperial March), Spielberg came out with two movies that year after a 3 or 4 year directing hiatus. So Williams was only able to do a half assed Ewok celebration while they used tracked music for the rest of the scenes.

[Luke Skywalker 1,791]

Guys, that's exactly my point! Because he had to do Minority Report, the AOTC recording sessions had to be in February instead of, say, April, so he didn't have those extra 2 months to write more music to a more final version of the film

Didnt all the SW recording sesions took place in february. and all movies were released in May?

[Neimoidian 14]

Spielberg has exploited the man so much (especially in the 70s and 80s), that he now has real difficulty with coming up with shiver-inducing music on regular basis as he would in the past. Damn you Spielberg

I don't know whether this is sarcastic or not, but in any case, you sound like one of those fascist-feminists obsessed with the porn industry and how all those (incredibly highly-paid and industry driving) starlets are "exploited."

Although it's not the most accurate description of me, I like it very much.

[Taikomochi 1,136]

Minority Report = vastly superior film to Attack of the Clones

Catch Me If You Can = vastly superior film to Chamber of Secrets

Therefore, I'll accept the rush-jobs, and be thankful for them.

True, but I would have taken a well done AotC over Minority Report or CMIYC. Star Wars, up until the prequels had an incredible musical legacy, and I really wished that this had been properly continued. I know JW would have done a better job on AotC than he did on MR, had he the opportunity. Even if it was a worse movie.

[Williamsfan301 11]

Guys, that's exactly my point! Because he had to do Minority Report, the AOTC recording sessions had to be in February instead of, say, April, so he didn't have those extra 2 months to write more music to a more final version of the film

Didnt all the SW recording sesions took place in february. and all movies were released in May?

Yes

Yeah, it's all Spielberg's fault, as if the lapse of time between the recording sessions (february) and the release of the movie (end of may) had nothing to do with tracking and stuff.

I thought that the reason cues from TPM were tracked into the final battles of AOTC was because the CGI wasn't done and JW had nothing to write to

...so he didn't have those extra 2 months to write more music to a more final version of the film

When it comes to Star Wars, does Lucas EVER have a final version of the films?

[Mr. Breathmask 555]

When it comes to Star Wars, does Lucas EVER have a final version of the films?

Sure.

Until he releases the new final versions of course.

[MSM 126]

I'd take Minority Report and Catch Me If You Can over Attack Of The Clone and Chamber Of Secrets any day.

Says the guy with a Hans Zimmer atavar

[Ollie 1,059]

Johnny didn't have time write cues for the final battle in Attack of The Clones or rewrite other cues to match the final picture because he had to do Minority Report for Spielberg

That same year, he didn't have time to finish writing and then conduct and record Chamber of Secrets because he had to do Catch Me If You Can for Spielberg

In 2004, the Prisoner Of Azkaban cues were all written to an earlier, longer cut of the film, as evidenced by how cut down they all are in the final film, because he had to do The Terminal for Spielberg

Then in 2005, they had to purposely plan on tracking in music from TPM and AOTC into some scenes in Revenge of the Sith because he had to do War Of The Worlds for Spielberg.

The clashes with the Star Wars movies are especially odd considering how good friends Georgie and Spielberg are...

And this accurate because???

Seriously, the only film that Williams had to work halfway on was COS because he did have a busy schedule.

The rest is pure hogwash. George Lucas is the sole culprit for the prequel's music situation. It has nothing to do with Williams schedule.

[Koray Savas 2,251]

I'd take Minority Report and Catch Me If You Can over Attack Of The Clone and Chamber Of Secrets any day.

Says the guy with a Hans Zimmer atavar

Yep.

Attack Of The Clones and Chamber Of Secrets are two of JW's worst scores.

[Jay 37,249]

"Across The Stars", "Fawkes The Phoenix", and "The Chamber Of Secrets" would beg to differ

[indy4 155]

Attack Of The Clones and Chamber Of Secrets are two of JW's worst scores.

[Koray Savas 2,251]

Whip me all you want. Does anyone actually put those two up as some of JW's best? They're nothing special in any way.

[indy4 155]

Not being JW's best does not necessarily qualify a score to be one of his worst.

[Koray Savas 2,251]

Not being JW's best does not necessarily qualify a score to be one of his worst.

I know, but what else do you think is inferior?

[Bryant Burnette 654]

Well, practically anything he wrote prior to 1969 might be a good candidate. And he wrote a lot of scores prior to 1969. Few, if any, of them are better than either Attack of the Clones or Chamber of Secrets.

But neither Attack of the Clones nor Chamber of Secrets are as good as either Minority Report or Catch Me If You Can (especially the latter). That sentiment is good for score and movie alike.

[Josh500 1,615]

I'd take Minority Report and Catch Me If You Can over Attack Of The Clone and Chamber Of Secrets any day.

Says the guy with a Hans Zimmer atavar

I can't believe some people like CMIYC more than AOTC!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Why not?

Not everyone likes Star Wars.

[Charlie Brigden 7]

I'm a gigantic SW nerd and I don't really like AOTC much at all.

[Josh500 1,615]

I'm a gigantic SW nerd and I don't really like AOTC much at all.

Then you are NOT gigantic.

[Jessie Lohner 0]

Yeah, it's Spielberg's fault that John Williams scored Star Wars! Shame on him!

[Koray Savas 2,251]

Why not?

Not everyone likes Star Wars.

Especially the prequels.

[Bryant Burnette 654]

I'd take Minority Report and Catch Me If You Can over Attack Of The Clone and Chamber Of Secrets any day.

Says the guy with a Hans Zimmer atavar

I can't believe some people like CMIYC more than AOTC!

Do you also find it hard to believe that some people prefer steak to burgers? Because that's how I'd equate them.

[Jay 37,249]

Not being JW's best does not necessarily qualify a score to be one of his worst.

I know, but what else do you think is inferior?

I've listened to The River, Saving Private Ryan, and Heartbeeps far, far less than I've listened to COS and AOTC

[Josh500 1,615]

Do you also find it hard to believe that some people prefer steak to burgers? Because that's how I'd equate them.

Reading that comment, I'd equate you with a 10-year-old.

[Neimoidian 14]

Not being JW's best does not necessarily qualify a score to be one of his worst.

I know, but what else do you think is inferior?

I've listened to The River, Saving Private Ryan, and Heartbeeps far, far less than I've listened to COS and AOTC

The River kicks ass, better than anything he wrote in 2002.

[Bryant Burnette 654]

Do you also find it hard to believe that some people prefer steak to burgers? Because that's how I'd equate them.

Reading that comment, I'd equate you with a 10-year-old.

Your momma.

[Beowulf 4]

No use bashing Mr Spielberg, I think the blame lies squarely on Lucas.

He took a generally formulaic approach to the prequels and music didn't quite enjoy the special attention it received in the Original Trilogy.

[Williamsfan301 11]

Is Spielberg to blame also for the meltdown of Western Civilization?

[indy4 155]

Why not?

Not everyone likes Star Wars.

I love Star Wars, even AotC, but CMIYC is the better score.

[MSM 126]

I'd take Minority Report and Catch Me If You Can over Attack Of The Clone and Chamber Of Secrets any day.

Says the guy with a Hans Zimmer atavar

I can't believe some people like CMIYC more than AOTC!

Do you also find it hard to believe that some people prefer steak to burgers? Because that's how I'd equate them.

I wouldn't know, I am a vegetarian. But I wonder what JW would think hearing you are comparing his scores to steak and burgers

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I wouldn't know, I am a vegetarian.

Ok, that explains it....

[Ollie 1,059]

I dunno, I've had some damn good hamburgers that are better than some steaks.

It just depends on who makes them.

[John Crichton 4]

I've never developed a taste for steaks, strange. But I love hamburgers. Even hamburger steaks.