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Here in Greece all new blurays are around $45!!
I wanted to get GOne with the wind and while the big collector's box with 3 blurays in amazon is around $42 here (WITHOUT the big box and only 2 blurays) it's $111!!!!!!!!!
same for wizard of oz and similar editions..
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I picked up Lion King last week. Awesome, just awesome. I was really happy it was the theatrical version without the added song from the IMAX/DVD. Ugh.
An annoyance I've meant to comment on many times is the knack for placing current updated studio logos in front of older movies. I absolutely love the current Walt Disney Pictures logo, but it just isn't right in front of Lion King. The original logo is also wonderful. It's more basic in comparison, but perhaps superior. It sort of conceals the magic contained within. Kind of like the old Lucasfilm logo.
I'm furious about the fact that they removed the clouds as simba is chasing them, when his father appears to him. Now he runs to nothing!
Some say that it was an error and not a deliberate removal!
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Track 1 is a kind of passacaglia. (=a series of variations over an ostinato pattern)
Meaning that wa have one theme in the bass (the opening theme), and it's repeated over and over (here 9 times approximately with interludes in between), and the melody on top, or harmony etc. changing constantly.
From what it seems this theme is important for track 1, but i can't find it intact anywhere else, except servicing as a basic idea on which other themes are based.
Capturing Mr Silk has the begining of it twice if I remember correctly.
it's just the first phrase with the first 4 notes. Not the complete theme (0.00-0.12 of track 1)
edit: oh, now i saw you said "the beginning of it". Right.
I was talking more about the intact theme..
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Track 1 is a kind of passacaglia. (=a series of variations over an ostinato pattern)
Meaning that wa have one theme in the bass (the opening theme), and it's repeated over and over (here 9 times approximately with interludes in between), and the melody on top, or harmony etc. changing constantly.
From what it seems this theme is important for track 1, but i can't find it intact anywhere else, except servicing as a basic idea on which other themes are based.
I don't remember right now any other "Passacaglia" of Williams from another film. ANy ideas?
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Sydney is full of greeks.
I'm not one of them.
If you want I could ask a mate to sign up though!
haha, no that's Ok! ;-)
I have Greek heritage on my mother's side.
Oh, great to know Wojo. ;-)
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I don't know the Deathly Hallows score at all. What approach do you mean?
with the "incomplete" themes?
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Well, I'm not into politics at all, but why exactly this would prevent them from logging in jwfan?
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I was just wondering, am I the only Greek here in this forum? Are there any more?
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well, all these 3 themes are essentially almost the same, or variations.
if we're in D:
- the slow version reaches G (4th up) as a point of rest and returns
- the normal version reaches Bb (6th up) as a point of rest and returns
- the big version reaches C (7th up) as peak point and returns
but all start almost the same
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You guys sure about that?
This is the "reveal of exotic location" music from 5:38-5:46
And this is the normal Bagghar Theme that plays right after it, as is also heard in Escape from the Karaboudjan
well, the one is a variation of the other..
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Hmm, can you provide specific examples with timestamps?
Here, I made notations of the 2 themes.
As I said, all the tintin themes (version b) in all the tracks (as many as I've heard of), are a different theme from the one in track 1 that you notate again as Tintin's theme (version B).
they have intervallic-rhythmic relations, but they are different.
the first theme, it's from marlinspike hall track. the 2nd phrase might appear a bit different in other renditions. Although i think mostly he uses the first phrase only.
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wow! How much time did it take this? ;-)
thank you !
by the way, the theme that you're referring as Tintin's theme B in track 1, is different from all the other b versions in the other tracks. They have relations, but they are different themes.
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I don''t think he ever said the reason. i imagine he doesn't feel it's apt for a release.
So, is it one more month and 4 days until we hear an announcement for the big batch or sooner?
(imagine no Williams release in that batch! hehehehe)
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Europe, Greece
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To me it makes sense that Tintin's theme is relatively short and malleable as it can be used in variety of guises throughout and quoted quickly if need be.
that could be done also if the theme was a complete one. (as he did with other themes in films in the past years).
he takes fragmens of a theme (usually the first phrase) and manipulates it in every way..
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oh, it's 4am here!
How can anyone access the archived version that was mentioned earlier?
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here's a more complete picture that shows the similarities between the themes.
also, similarity of unicorn theme with unknown theme (should have put it under it too)
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i still am not sure which is the "default" version of Tintin's theme.
the first or the second in my picture?
maybe the first because we hear it first? (in track 1)
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and of course, all these lead to the basic elementary motif of track 1. that's where the themes where derived from.
Now where in what tracks does the "slight variant" of Tintin's Theme from your picture play?
one instance is in Escape at 0.17''.
it's just the first 2 notes of each phrase inverted. there are many slight variants of the theme. just thought to put this too in the picture, since i listened to this track.
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yes. although i would say in Marlinspike hall it's from 0.00, and it's also in 0.00 in Escape.
Here's the relation of Tintin's theme with the other theme. You can see clearly their similarity.
in 3.41 that you said, it's actually the unicorn theme. It hasn't any changed notes.
Actually all the themes, are related (tintin's theme, unicorn's theme, new theme). this is the genius of Williams! ;-)
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this theme that you all say (introducing Thomsons at 1.11, escape from karaboudjan 0.11, Marlinspike Hall start), is again based on the opening pizzicato phrase of track 1. Yes, it's different from Tintin's theme, and it may represent something.
Also Jason, it's the same theme again in the start of Escape (those pizzicato strings), but in a slightly altered rhythm (like staggering) that it doesn't show so much.
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Yes I know, that's why i said I wonder what it shows there..
But strictly musically speaking I found it "ugly".
Another thing I wanted to point out is that the opening notes of the first track (almost first 12 seconds),that get repeated afterwards, could qualify as a theme (not Tintin's theme, but as a theme generally),
I wonder if he ever uses it again in the soundtrack, for a comical scene, but I wouldn't think so.
As far as I remember the opening from the first track is essentially the second phrase of Tintin's theme (just with a different tempo, slight rythmic variation, and an altered 3rd note), giving the cue an underlying cohesion.
hmmmmmm... I can't see that.. Anyone else sees it?
Not really, no. If you altered a note here and there, the rhythm, the speed, etc., you can hear anything you want!
Ok, Chris, you intrigued me to search about the opening notes of track 1 and this is what i found. ;-)
actually in the opening of track 1, there are elements of the thompson' theme main motif.
e.g. in the opening theme of track 1 we would have G - C# -D - G in an upwards direction.
(so tonic - dominant through down neighbouring note - tonic) ( a motif that is repeated many times through the course of the track)
in the thompson's theme the main motif in the same scale would be B - C# - D - B (first B goes down and then we return to it)
(so it's 3rd - dominant through down neighboring note - 3rd)
well, to some it may not seem much of a similarity, but based on Reti's " thematic process in music" which shows the underlying similarities in many motis and themes in classical music, the similarity is there.
Now, I don't know if it's conscious or not..
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Yes I know, that's why i said I wonder what it shows there..
But strictly musically speaking I found it "ugly".
Another thing I wanted to point out is that the opening notes of the first track (almost first 12 seconds),that get repeated afterwards, could qualify as a theme (not Tintin's theme, but as a theme generally),
I wonder if he ever uses it again in the soundtrack, for a comical scene, but I wouldn't think so.
As far as I remember the opening from the first track is essentially the second phrase of Tintin's theme (just with a different tempo, slight rythmic variation, and an altered 3rd note), giving the cue an underlying cohesion.
hmmmmmm... I can't see that.. Anyone else sees it?
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that's what I meant exactly. thank you!
(and you're Belgian too - meaning you could have been prejudiced about the film since Tintin is your country's comic hero)
The Adventures of Tintin MOVIE Discussion thread
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So, Alexander, I didn't see the spoilers, but do you think this is a much better movie than Indy 4? Is it nostalgic of the good old adventure films like Raiders etc.?