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Posts posted by Richard Penna
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PoA has some fine material, and has a better CD release, but I find the first score to be a more consistent effort.
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I've always seen it as a kind of 'back to reality' moment. They've seen the dinosaurs and been completely overwhelmed, now they have to get back in the jeep and get down to business. It's a bit hard to say what I mean, but it fits the tone of the film just right IMO.
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I enjoy a lot of Zimmer's material as a guilty pleasure, and a lot of his smaller scores are very good, particularly Thin Red Line, which I think Zimmer put a lot of thought into, especially when you consider he was working with Terrence "replace everything with classical music" Malick.
Gladiator though, is one of the scores that got me into film music to start with, and I hate the dialogue in the second CD as well. It's a real shame that they felt the need to commercialize the CD by putting remixes and stuff already on the first album, rather than actually putting some new music on. I believe there are only two tracks on it which contain unreleased cues completely untouched, although that nice 'arabic' desert theme just before they arrive at Zucchabar is on the DVD, played over the deleted footage montage.
And that 2 disc anniversary edition was a pointless waste of space, not to mention false advertising. The film won an oscar, not the music, and 'all the music' should mean literally that. I was getting really geared up for that.
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Why should Lucas do any editing, he's not the director. I think we should be more afraid of Burtt wanting to leave the Indy saga with a bang.
I never got the impression from anywhere that it was Indy's son - just some kid who gets caught up in it.
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For what?
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The string theme in Susan Speaks from The Patriot. The bridging bit on higher strings is also really relaxing at a high volume.
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Still don't understand how much legal crap there can be in releasing a piece like this.
And how can they not have foreseen demand? He's one of the biggest composers around at the moment!
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Watched The Bourne Supremacy in glorious 720p HD yesterday. Superb film and I can't wait to see Ultimatum very soon. I've seen Supremacy before, but I have a habit of watching stuff on my secondary monitor while doing stuff like this on the other, and by the end I didn't have a clue what was going on.
Chocolate Factory is one of those few occasions when I thought the original was an amazing film and Burton's was a completely unnecessary way to spend 2 hours. Actually, it's a bit like when I heard a live action Thunderbirds movie was going to be made several years ago, and I jumped for joy, being a massive, massive fan of the original series.
Then Jonathan Frakes got his hands on it... oh dear.
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I've actually warmed a lot to Beowulf. it has a variety of actually quite memorable themes, and the modern style does work very well with the film. In fact, I'm ready to buy it as soon as I can find a store willing to sell me some mp3s.
But yes, he needs a new sound. Night at the Museum was a kind of respite, but for me it was a very average score with too much mickey mousing and not much inspiration (he could have penned the main theme in his sleep).
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The spitting guy speaks wisdom.
And 'A Tree for my Home Alone' as you must call it, is one of my favourite tracks in the score. I think if you find that boring, you're missing half the point of the movie - the childlike awe of the dinosaurs (well, what there is of it amongst eating lawyers).
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A good Zimmer example comes to mind. Jack Sparrow. Nice quirky little theme, sounds great on the cellos, and then is completely ruined by that MV wall of sound. Such poor taste.
I can listen to all of "Jack Sparrow," and I never get tired of it. I love the entire thing. Though I must admit, my favorite sections from that cue are the statements of Jack's theme, whether they're played by the entire orchestra or by one cello.
Absolutely. I find the first couple of minutes an amazingly addictive piece, but as soon as those heavy brass and strings come in, the magic is somewhat lost.
Why can't Hans just banish synths being used in the final performance, and record the orchestra normally, like everyone else...
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I don't think alot people truly understand what an orchestrator does (not including most of our fellow JWFan members). And if one had doubts as to how specific Williams is in his original sketches you need to watch the BBC doc on TESB. It was pretty clear that he is specific in what he wants.
That documentary was excellent, its too bad it hasn't been released. I believe they should him working on "Mynock Cave," and it was amazing how his rough sketch on the piano was almost exactly the completed cue. It seemed like Spencer just was a copyist on that one. This documentary is a must see.
Truly an amazing piece it is. (and Ben Burtt must be getting on now... I always imagined him nowadays about the age he is in this), clearly made by someone who cares about music.
PS - I have no idea where I got it from, but I appear to have it, so do the usual if anyone wants it.
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Well this thread has brought out the Pirate lovers hasn't it hehehe.
I would have taken a Silvestri pirates score over Zimmer any day of the week. I listened to some of the first score the other day, and was staggered to rediscover how flat and fake it sounds.
I agree with those who think the movie will suck though. As far as I'm concerned, the only movie Sommers has made that I liked was the original Mummy, and Goldsmith provided IMO an excellent score for that.
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I have distant hopes for it. No idea what G.I. Joe is about, but a Silvestri Transformers-like score must be fun.
On the other hand, I found Van Helsing mostly tosh and The Mummy Returns excessively cheesy.
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Are you trying to say that anyone who isn't the 'most popular' on this board is bland and unexciting? What I was trying to say is that I think it would be very boring if everyone thought Williams was the guy to score their life.
(excuse my previous comment Mark, I really thought you were referring to JNH)
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I actually have to agree with Joe here (wow, second time)... choosing the currently 2 most popular composers on this board just seems to lack any sort of imagination.
I'd go with Koray's choice of JNH. He can compose some effective but often boring underscore (matching my life perfectly) and has those little shining moments.
I don't want any half ass bland composer scoring my life. I've plenty of sad and good times. I may complain from time to time but I've had a damn good life so far and I'd want great music to go with it.
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For me this is far more an engaging soundtrack than Jurassic Park ever will be. There is never a dull moment in this one, whereareas Jurassic Park has me dozing in a lot of underscored bits.
Its peaks are not remotely as magnificent as those of Jurassic Park, but it maintains a far higher level consistency throughout. When Jurassic Park hits a low, it hits rock bottom. This track doesn't peak too high, but it is always high enough to be great, and never hits rock bottom.
Jurassic has you dozing?
We are talking about the same composer here aren't we... the guy who many people on this board consider the greatest film composer, and one of his landmark 1990's achievements has you dozing?
On topic: I voted option 2. Not one of his absolute greatest compositions, but I think it's damn good.
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I know we're not talking complete scores here, but the first thing that popped into my mind when seeing the thread title was Vertical Limit by James Newton Howard. The first tracks are great, but then it rather loses steam.
Not one of JNH's better scores. The movie sucked IMO and its cheesiness didn't help.
Amazing how honest people get about JW's music sometimes isn't it
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I like a couple of pieces from it, but ethnic music generally doesn't get on my radar much. One of those that I respect but don't really appreciate. Also why I never warmed to MoaG.
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At the risk of being completely uninteresting, my honest answer is Lord of the Rings.
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I actually have to agree with Joe here (wow, second time)... choosing the currently 2 most popular composers on this board just seems to lack any sort of imagination.
I'd go with Koray's choice of JNH. He can compose some effective but often boring underscore (matching my life perfectly) and has those little shining moments.
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I understood everything until all those colours. I didn't find it boring, just a 'WTH is going on' feeling.
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Exactly the same surely.
Which is your favorite Harry Potter score?
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Well they're not Williams. They don't belong in this elite trilogy.