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all you gotta do is listen to it 0.o :-p
And the answer is yes (I didn't see your question)
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It also would mean they'd have to push it to two discs wich would have boosted the price for what many would argue is a duplicate (original) to the complete score to Home Alone II... I'm ok with what's missing. The only big things to me were "Have yourself a merry little christmas" which has the album version (on the album) and the film version which can somewhat cleanly be made.
The christmas songs, I already compiled for my Complete Home Alone score edit so I'll just replace disc 1 with this and viola! lol
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Actually, if I may interject, that's not so.
You should see my "King of the Hill" study on this very subject.
http://www.jplegacy.org/index2.php?load=jurassicpark/ffjpking.shtmlThe first scene tackled in the "Fact or Flub?" section is the infamous T-rex main road attack from JP, or as the JPL team calls it, the "King of the Hill" sequence.
Earlier in the film, we are presented with the shot of the Tyrannosaur viewing area. We see the tunnel entrance from which the cars came, a large fence leading from the ground near the tunnel's exit, going across the screen and for an unknown length into the forest. A goat is then raised from an underground feeding center and placed within the paddock. Now, skipping ahead to the actual attack, we now are presented with the exact same stretch of road/fence: the goat is present, the fence is present, and the tunnel exit would be further down the road but is not visible due to a downed tree.
As the attack commences, the T-rex attacks the fence between the two vehicles. At the same time, the fence near the first tour-car begins to buckle under the force of the rex pulling on the cables. The t-rex then makes a triumphant entrance, ripping the fence and stepping out into the viewing area. The fun begins once the rex attacks the first car, flipping it over and crushing it. Grant and Ian-and Gennaro to an extent-manage to distract the rex long enough for Grant to get Lex out of the car before the rex decides to knock the car into its paddock.
This is where the confusion begins. Many people who have viewed this scene have called it a flub-a huge mistake-saying that the cliff seemingly appears from nowhere and makes no sense.
Now, let's look at our film evidence:
First we have the initial arrival. We can see here that the fence is quite long. If you look, the fence actually doesn't stretch all the way to the tunnel, instead, it all seems to converge into a small point next the tunnel. This would seemingly be an error-a gratuitous error-if the rex's range stretched all the way to the tunnel and further. This is our first hint that the paddock has a boundary further in.
It is hard to tell exactly what the ground level of the area is and exactly what is where but what we can be certain of is that the area where the goat is raised is level with the track.
The next photo shows that the goat is nearly right between the two tour cars, with a bushy area to the left of it, and a small clearing to the right and behind it. There is also a "High Voltage" sign right in front of it. Looking back on picture, one, and you can therefore place the stopping of the cars as around the 2nd "High Voltage" sign (based on the foliage, the movement of the cars past the first sign, and the placement of the 2nd sign).
Next, we have the shot of the rex leaving the fence. Notice the distance between the tour cars. This is slightly misleading. It looks like the cars are closer together and that the rex is right on top of the first car, but this is because of camera angle, the camera lens, and how the cars themselves are positioned on the horizon: it is only an illusion. Look really closely, and you can tell that the cars are quite a distance from each-other (look at the first car and how close it is to the camera, and then look at how far the second car is. Also notice the size difference because of the distance).
In this next shot, we see the rex walking from the second car to the first car. Notice the placement of the high voltage sign. We know that the goat was positioned right at that sign, so that gives us a pretty clear idea of the relationship between the day and night time shots.
Now, we see the Rex chasing Ian, but looking past that, you can see, again, the relationship distance wise between the two cars. Also notice the large amount of plant material in what should be a clear area-compared to the daytime shot. We must remember that this is during a tropical storm and like in any storm, if the ground is overly saturated, large trees will become uprooted and fall into: this is no different.
Here, we can see exactly where the first car is situated. Notice the "high voltage" sign still within view.
In the next shot we see where exactly the car is going to go over. Notice the pole that had become structurally weakened earlier standing to the right of where the car will go over. The cables here seem to have snapped, probably because of the stress of being on and being rooted to the pole just out of the shot to the right.
This is a good shot of the aftermath of the attack. The 2nd car is just off camera to the right of the jeep. You can see along the right edge of the shot the hole where the rex exited the paddock. If you look further down, you see where there is a dark mark in the cement wall: that is where the 1st car went over the edge. Also notice where the high voltage sign is: right next to the windshield.
In this shot, you can see one of the most curious things about the whole endeavor is the illusion of depth. The trees Ellie is shining her flashlight on are far back, but not too far back that there is a lot of room for forest and such. This ravine or moat would seem not to be very wide.
After examining all this, there are some important details to be remembered. In the daytime shot, the actual placement of the foliage is hard to tell. There is definitely a difference in the proximity of foliage in the feeding area as compared to the rest of the length of the fence, but there are no real good shots showing exactly what is along this section of road. The plants are further back, but exactly by how much is hard to say.
Based on the first shot of the vehicles entering the Rex viewing area, we can clearly see that the fence continues only up to the tunnel exit, but not all the way to it. Looking at the scene, we can also see that the plants clearly do not reach all the way to the fence as they do in the feeding area. Then comparing everything we can, we find that the rex exited the paddock right of the feeding area, where the viewing area still came in contact with the fence.
The car was then pushed over the cement wall into the paddock in an area to the left of the feeding area, just past where the ground was level, and fell into a small ravine where there are several trees, one of which the car falls into. The ravine also must be at least 100 feet deep, to account for the drop and the tree height. It is also possible that the ground within the paddock sloped down slightly.
Now as far as presentation, the mere fact that this has caused confusion is enough to say something is wrong. Looking at the initial presentation of the scene, we can see that the plants that should be far away from the fence don't appear that far away. They also appear to be different plants than those Ellie is shining her flashlight on. This alone is enough to cause minor confusion. On top of that, the camera angles used are extremely restricted, showing off very little of the paddock, perhaps in an attempt to restrain the audience within the tour vehicles as well.
The director tried to show off the cliff when Alan and Lex climb over the cement curb and must maintain their balance as not to fall into the ravine. All in all, the "King of the Hill" scene is not a flub, but a simple miscommunication between the film and the audience.
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Someone on my other website found this... and said "look! track 18!" and i'm like "No... Que Milagros isn't track 18...but then i listened and was like wtf... they've always said it was que milagros, but it's not, its the other track... so they mis named it
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The edit would be kinda weird though. I tried doing it with clean dvd rip and it seems rather sudden honestly... but it would be easy to make heh. I know I'm gonna have to toy with the edit :-p
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They credited it incorrectly... all these years. That's what the music truly is... Que Milagros Chaparrita is a different song entirely.
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So, here we are... its almost 2011... and we're just now getting this right.
All these years, we all thought the source music in Jurassic Park in the cantina was called "Que Milagros Chaparrita." Why? Because the credits say it, IMDB says it, Yahoo Movies says it...
It's not.
It's actually called Las Graviotas and for any who like me, want it:
http://itunes.apple.com/es/album/the-best-mexico-20-great-favorites/id161233093
Track 18...
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Well, the "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas" was recorded/orchestrated for the film so in a way, to me, it's part of the film as much as Carol of the Bells but at least the album version exists. The film version can be ripped from the DVD and minus one siren is clean (which I'm gonna be using my MAGIX to fix :-p)
The two missing non-williams pieces are ok, and the source of the Polka music is easily ripped. The only thing missing past that is the alternate mix of "Star of Bethlehem" which is easily made from the DVD... and assuming they use one version of "We Wish you a Merry Christmas" as instrumental (the way used in the film) then we'd have pretty much everything...
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God I like Mike M. He literally almost always responds to me hehehe
Let nothing you dismay... This release is about the Williams score."Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas" would have required a separate and cost prohibitive license, not to mention pushing the release to a second disc.
"Jingle Bells" is separate because it's not a carol. The others are (6 of them, I think).
Kevin screaming around the house was not by Williams; it was a riff on "Long Tall Sally" by Johnny Lyon. The "blip of music" you refer to is also not Williams. Cue sheet says "Trade Center" by Tom Elliot. Did that come up in your 'full score study?' We didn't have these anyway.
Mike
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HOME ALONE
Complete Score Breakdown Comparison to new release
TRACK LISTING:
1. Somewhere in My Memory † 3:24
(Lyrics: Leslie Bricusse) Chorus & Orchestra
# Somewhere in my Memory (Boston Pops) - [03:47]
Wasn't on original album.
2. Star of Bethlehem
[Orchestral Version] 2:54
# Star of Bethlehem - [02:51]
On Album
3. Home Alone (Main Theme) 1:27
# Main Title - [01:22]
4. Go Pack Your Suitcase/ Introducing
Marley/In Good Hands * 1:51
# Pack Your Suitcase - [00:07]
# Old Man Marley - [01:20]
# Harry - [00:13]
---- [01:41] which is comparable to [01:51]
5. Banished to the Attic 1:07
# The House - [01:05]
6. We Slept In/Hard Count * 1:20
# We Spelt In - [01:07]
7. Making the Plane :54
????
8. The Basement 2:18
# Hello - [01:19]
# Kevin's Wish - [00:49]
---- [02:08] Which is comparable to [02:18]
# I'm Free - [00:34]
9. Target Practice/Sledding
on the Stairs ** 1:31
# Toy Execution - [00:38]
# Sled Down the Stairs - [00:43]
---- [01:22] which is comparable to [01:31]
10. Lights On/Guess Who’s Home/
Paris Arrival * 3:18
# Christmas Lights and Crowbars - [01:22]
# The First Attempt - [01:24]
# Arrival in France - [00:52]
---- [03:39] Which is a bit longer but because 'Christmas Lights and Crowbars' in the film has several second gaps between parts which they would obviously remove to make it [03:18]
# Angels With Filthy Souls (Source fragment) - [00:07]
11. The Man of the House/
Police Check ** 1:22
# Not Afraid anymore - [00:49]
# The Police Check the House - [00:31]
---- [01:20] which is [01:22]
12. The Bookshelf 1:10
# Climbing Shelves - [01:08]
13. Phone Machine/Drug Store/
Escape Across the Ice ** 3:06
# Silver Tuna Tonight - [00:32]
# Marley's Hand - [00:48]
# Escape from the Store - [01:42]
---- [03:03] which is [03:06]
14. Follow That Kid! 2:12
# Follow That Kid! - [02:07]
15. Listening to Carson * :44
# Kevin's Promise - [00:41]
16. Cleaning Clothes/Kitchen * 1:39
# Kevin Grows Up - [00:35]
# The Second Attempt - [00:54]
---- [01:30] which is [01:39]
17. Scammed by a Kindergartner 2:10
# Scammed by a Kindergartner - [02:09]
18. Walking Home (Somewhere in My Memory) † 1:06
(Lyrics: Leslie Bricusse) Chorus & Orchestra
# Somewhere in my Memory - [01:03]
19. O Holy Night 2:51
(Composer: Adolphe Adam) (Translation of
Lyrics: John S. Dwight) Chorus & Orchestra
Arranged by John Williams. Published by
Fox Film Music Corp. (BMI) *
# O Holy Night - [02:47]
20. Star of Bethlehem † 3:00
(Lyrics: Leslie Bricusse) with Children’s Chorus
# Star of Bethlehem (Film mix/ Album?) - [02:58]
21. Carol of the Bells 1:27
(Translation of Lyrics: Peter Wilhousky)
Chorus & Orchestra
# Carol o f the Bells - [01:25]
22. Setting the Trap 2:31
# Setting the Trap - [02:16]
23. The Attack Begins 1:30
# The Attack on the House I - [01:26]
24. Marv Enters the Basement/
A Hot Hand/Sore Head * † 2:50
# The Attack on the House II - [00:47]
# The Attack on the House III - [00:47]
# The Attack on the House IV - [01:01]
---- [02:36] which is comparable to [02:50] especially if there is stuff edited out or not used.
25. Paint Cans 2:06
# The Attack on the House V - [02:03]
26. Clothesline Trapeze /
Marley to the Rescue ** 4:13
# The Tide Turns - [03:29]
# Marley to the Rescue - [00:29]
---- [03:59] which is comparable to [04:13]
# Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas (Film) - [00:59]
# Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas (Instrumental) - [00:59]
# Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas (Album) - [03:04]
27. The Next Morning/
Mom Returns/Finale 4:26
# Reunited - [02:40]
# Finale - [01:42]
---- [04:23] which is [04:26]
28. We Wish You a Merry Christmas/
End Title (Somewhere in My Memory) † 4:19
(Lyrics: Leslie Bricusse) Chorus & Orchestra
# We Wish You A Merry Christmas (Instrumental/ Choral?) - [00:15]
# Holiday Flight - [00:58]
# End Credits - [03:05]
---- [04:20] which is [04:19]
Additional Music
29. Walking Home [Without Chorus] 1:05
# Somewhere in my Memory (Instrumental) - [01:03]
30. Clothesline Trapeze
[Film Version Insert] * :23
# The Tide Turns (Film Insert) - [00:23]
31. Jingle Bells * 1:02
# Jingle Bells (Airport Source) - [00:57]
32. Christmas Carol Medley * 7:43
(Airport Sources?)
# Deck the Halls - [00:47]
# Joy to the World - [01:01]
---- [01:48] does not [07:43] make... there must have been a few more source cues if this is indeed the airport source.
# Deck the Halls (Polka Source) - [00:32]
33. Finale [Alternate – O Holy Night] * 1:34
????
34. We Wish You a Merry Christmas/
End Title (Somewhere in My Memory) †
[Original Soundtrack Version] 4:15
(Lyrics: Traditional/Leslie Bricusse) Chorus & Orchestra
# We Wish You A Merry Christmas (Instrumental/ Choral?) - [00:15]
# Holiday Flight - [00:58]
# End Credits - [03:05]
---- [04:20] which is [04:15]. It says album version so there is some mixing. The Album also has the choral mixed in which means the other version may be just instrumental but it lists "Choral" too but it may have meant the actual "End Credits" which has Star of Bethlehem in it.
There are a few unanswered questions: What is the Christmas Carol suite, Have Yourself a Merry Christmas is definately not on there. Angles with Filthy souls may not have had much written for it so that may be why it wasn't placed on here. The film mix of "Star of Bethlehem" is probably not the one they use (since the poor glock is off beat the entire time lol) but it means like 99% of the score is there so I'm happy. I wasn't complaining, I was just curious what people had heard as far as why certain things weren't on there is all.
For instance "I'm Free" plays as Kevin runs a muck around the house and I always assumed it was a Williams piece since I could find no credit for it in the credits if it were a pre-existing piece but maybe I'm wrong... that was all.
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If you'd like, I'll write a complete score break down and show what is obviously missing and what isn't.
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I'm not assuming nor complaining. I can tell by the track titles and lengths whats not on there. Good to know you have no idea of the type of person I am Stef. lolI wouldn't idly comment like that if I didn't have some forethought.
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I'm both excited and dismayed by this release. I mean, I LOVE home alone. I did a full score study to find all the music and i can see certain things got left off.
The "soundtrack" material I don't care so much about. That stuff is on the Home Alone: Christmas Album.
I mean some of the other music. I can see the "Clothesline Trapese" insert is there which is good, and the "Christmas Carol Medley" I'm guessing is the Airport source music although "Jingle Bells" is listed separately so I dunno how it could be 7 minutes without that lol...
The Film version and album versions of "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas" are absent. Liscencing problems I suppose?
I was under the impression that the music that played as Kevin ran around screaming in the house was something Williams composed as well. That's not on the set.
And I'm guessing this isn't going to be presenting the film take of "Star of Bethlehem?"
Also, the blip of music for "Angels with Filthy Souls" is missing...
Overall a great release, sad these couldn't be included. I'm guessing they wouldn't have fit on the CD anyway.
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Sounds like a possibility heh... agreed
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Maybe that's why Williams never has been fired off of a project. He anticipates the needs of a director so well that they couldn't/wouldn't fire him because before they can say something, he's alreday made an alternate or said "try this instead."
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it is listed as optional. The harder part is that the "Theme from Jurassic Park" had been recorded as well and that doesn't seem to have been intended to be used in the film (neither was 'Theme from The Lost World'). The theme from JP used at the end of TLW cuts in halfway through the recording so i kinda doubt it had been intended to be in there... but eh
I'm excited to hear these mockups!
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Its possible. I find that my tastes change. There have been edits in my past that have been too bright or not bright enough but the thing with the upper register to which I'm most sensative too are the subtle nuances of the room. You hear the room. Taking off too much and you remove the room and i think that's the travesty with a lot of modern mixing is they rely so heavily on the synthetic reverb to create the sound rather than augment the room. But eh.. lol
Oh, and MM responded to me about the final track (which isn't on the bootleg btw) and about a possible alternate during the chase sequence.
"The Stonecutter" is indeed source music in Williams' '70s funky rock style.
In "Maloney's Exit," the timpani heard in the film seems to be editorially created by tracking and editing part of "Maloney's Knife" where solo timpani is playing.
Mike
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The sound samples aren't that great. All they did was tear off the upper register, add a bunch of reverb and pull the sound field apart. Then with a bunch of normalization, you get what they had. I could do the same with the boot honestly but i like the room sound. I'm still gonna buy it, don't get me wrong, but don't think it's something its not heh
Although some of the cues sound much better... track one of course heh
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I don't like a lot of the reverb they did to it. It overtakes the actual room sound... but eh... I'm gonna buy it just to have it but I like the sound of the slightly altered complete boot (with some added touches of mine :-p)
Any word on what that final track is? An alternate maybe... i don't recognize the track... maybe it's the source cue?
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Anyone know what that "Stonecutter" track is at the end? Is that the Family Plot Pop theme?
EDIT: Nevermind, that's the track before it "Family Plot Theme."
I wish they'd told us more
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I'm a bit confused as the timeline goes. We see a montage of everyone leaving and prepping, and yet, we then cut to see the meeting in the epilogue. Snape says "saturday after next"
So what... Harry sits alone in his bedroom (the next scene) for...two weeks??
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I can't give a link on here but i'll pm you a comparison
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The elegant park motif and the triumphant park motif are both used in a diminished form in "Hammond's Plans." It moves around as if it were a version of that cue. The intervals are backwards at times.
Then you have the full statmenet at the end of the cue, you have the usage of the JP theme when Ludlow mentions hammond's dream during "the trek," and you have it mentioned when Ludlow talks about JP: San Diego in the "Spilling Petrol." Theres also a statement in "Finding Camp Jurassic" that is almost an identical but quiter rendition of "Jurassic Park Gate" with the cue ending with another statement.
And the Carnivore motif is used in the strings in the unused part of "Up the Basket" if i'm not mistaken. They do triplets around it but do accents on the first notes illustrating the motif.
You also have the Carnivore motif used when they mention the raptors in "Reading the Map"
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You need to cite the work data. I swear they'll pull it
La-La Land announces Home Alone (Complete)
in JOHN WILLIAMS
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Not to mention, in some cases, these "songs" replace actual Williams scoring