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None taken (i am nearly the sole writer of that article lol)
THe only issue is you have to have the PDF posted somewhere... JWFan or maybe even JPL could do an article talking about what you're saying or they'll pull your research
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It seems to me that there are two consecutive evolutions going on in film score.
1) The fight between "current cultural music" and "orchestral"
2) The fight between "orchestral" and "infused-orchestral"
There are lulls and peaks for both and they come and go. Hans Zimmer has gone through several changes... I think the real issue is the purpose of the modern film score.
I find that music was used at the invention of film to create a sense of reality to it. Filming techniques and acting techniques have grown and changed through the years.
Films were originally seen as an escapism... so actors had to be larger than life... grandiose...
Today, films are meant to feel more real in a society where imagination and possibility have dwindled. We now will only believe a "real" film and in real life, there is no orchestral score.
This creates a problem for film composers who's purpose was so very important in the past. Where do we fit in?
Looking at some of the movies churned out these days, I think that the issue isn't so much that a singular composer has killed orchestral scores, if not that they're simply trying to create a sense of reality with it. I don't really like a lot of modern Hans Zimmer, but I do like some of his work.
I just think it's a natural evolution of the medium... I think keeping certain aspects of both, we can find a good future in film scores. There's always a place for a williams score, but the need for it dwindles.
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I tried to track it to the film and found that most of what got cut was because they fade in late and what seems to be msising is some sort of landing/launching sequence of the cars. It's only a few seconds but it would be a shot before the cars drive through the field.
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I think I have a good portion of "Up in the Basket part II" in that too data
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I thought it was sorry, i'm poping in and out of this thread. I'm trying to make a PDF of a complete break down of everything. I've been studying this score for years so lol... I may help illuminate some further things lol
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You forgot the second half of
14 7m2/8m1 Pain of Glass
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08 4m3/5m1 The Round Up (Full Percussion Mix)
Also, I think the reason big feet had some changes to it is because the sequence of events got cut backwards to how it was origianlly.
If you look, in the film you have Roland call for Burke to ask what the footprint is. If you look where Burke is, he's standing next to Dieter.
Then he says it the rex footprint, we see Roland collecting his stuff and walking away, Ludlow steps into the print and then we see Dieter cooling down. Burke runs up when the Compy appears and is now where he was in position a few moments ago. The sequence got shifted so the music got recut. That piece esppecially with the sliding glissando of the strings reminds me of the Compy music later in the film
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Jason you should have the complete cues of some of those i sent you
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I think the issue stems from the whole point of a concert. Look at the jp theme. It's not the most intricate piece ever composed. You do it slow enough and you'll lull an audience to sleep. Do it faster, and you can still advertise as "performing themes from such blockbuster hits as Jurassic Park..." and get away with it.
It's the venue.
The recording on the JP album is, yes, a specially written intro and then harp ending attached to the middle to end of whats called "The dinosaurs" from Jurassic Park. It's the same recording used in the album track "Journey to the Island" just with what they called the "Record Intro"
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hmmm...
Before
After
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I try to avoid this when i edit...
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I don't 'like' it but i feel it can serve a different purpose...
Also, if you wanna hear the mock i made you can downlaod it here:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Y6CL0UBH
I wanna play with it a bit more but it gives you a rough idea. Attach it onto the album "Finale and Theme from Jurassic Park" on the album at about [02:22]
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I wasn't sure if i was allowed to post a direct link, but i've uploaded the finale to the "The Saving Dart" that's not on the album. I wanna keep playing withthe mixing but this would at least demonstrate what it is heh
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This is my old edit yea... until we can get a conductors score we can't fix the titles...
I've made a much more up to date version anyway with more accurate titles and less sfx... i think only two cues still had some
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I'm gonna try and take some time to replicate that missing finale piece I'll let you guys know how it goes.
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Only the sheet music is available... lol.... that's what we've been studying...
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Don't feel bad KM, I only got it last night. It took me all frackin day! And i only got it cause someone who i gave the DL link to sent it directly TO me lol
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Well in the score it has the first two measures as looped for however long they'd like...so i guess it gave williams some choice on where he could start but it looks like it yea.
Also if anyone is interested in the two source cues, NAXOS has them. Jeno Jando performing "Piano Sonata No. 8 in c minor" aka "Pathetique," and "Piano Sonata in a minor," Mozart K. 310.
I'm still trying to find "Tres Dias" by Tomas Mendez. It says its by Peer Southern Productions, Inc. Performed by the Mariachi Los Camperos De Nati Cano. :shrug:
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What I always thought was an alternate for "Rialto Ripples" is ACTUALLY "Wompi's Wrench!" its on the album
Well yea, where were you yesterday when we discovered that on page 2 of this thread?
Did you just see my post of the complete break down of the film score? there ya go :-p
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End Credits Intro is just the alternate orchestration for the opening of the THeme from The Lost World
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Alright, so i've finished the score study excepting 2 cues which i need to go back and try to figure out. Here's my list:
01) [1m1] The Island's Voice (Complete from Album)
02) [2m2] Revealing the Plans (Complete from Album *fade out easily fabricated)
03) [3m1] To the Island (Complete from Album)
04) [3m2] The Stegosaurus (Complete From Album *fade out acheived via DVD rip)
05) [3m3] Finding the Baby (Complete from Album)
06) [4m1] Fire at Camp (Complete in DVD Rip)
07) [4m2] Corporate Choppers (Incomplete in DVD/ Complete in Park Rip)
08) [4m3/5m1] The Round Up (Complete on Album)
09) [5m2] Big Feet (Complete in DVD Rip)
10) [5m3/6m1 Pt. I] Spilling Petrol (Incomplete in DVD/ Complete in Park Rip)
11) [5m3/6m1 Pt. II] Horning In (Complete in DVD rip)
12) *still working on*
13) *still working on*
14) [7m2/8m1] Pain of Glass (Complete in DVD/ second half in Park Rip)
15) [8m2] Truck Stop (Complete In DVD/ Almost complete in Album)
16) [8m3] Reading the Map (Partial in Film/ Partial in Park Rip *about 85% complete now)
17) [8m4/9m1] The Trek (Complete in Album)
18) [9m2] The Compys! (Complete on Album *Intro achieved via DVD rip)
19) [9m3/10mA] The Compy's Dine (Complete in Album)
20) [10m1] Rialto Ripples (Partial on Album/ Partial in DVD rip/ Partial in Special Features Rip) *78% Complete
21) [10m2] Steiner in the Grass (Complete on Album)
22) [10m3/11m1] After the Fall (Complete on Album)
23) [11m2] The Raptors Appear (Complete on Album)
24) [11m3/12m1] High Bar and Ceiling Tiles (Missing the real opening in film. Missing one measure near middle, the entire sequence is correct in the film with some minor editing. What sounds like a loop from "The Raptors Appear" is actually correct to this cue as well. The finale is unreleased and unused excepting the final portion heard in the helicopter as they fly away. It looks like it's simply more of the "da-duh dun" throughout the orchestra and not as uplifting as the edit using the film)
25) [12m2] Heading North (Complete on Album)
26) [12m3] Ludlow's Speech (Partially used in film/ Same amount from Park Rip. The part that continues on after the cut off is just not ever used. Its more of the same dun dun, dun, dun dun, dun.)
27) [12m4] Wompi's Wrench (Complete on Album)
28) [12m5] Monster on the Loose (Partially used in film. The cut to the rex bursting through customs is actually a very similar cue. The real music has that but goes into the wild strings heard when we see the "Jurassic Park San Diego" facility and then we move back to the dock. for the conclusion of the cue. This full cue can be easily edited together from the other recordings)
29) [13m1] A Neighborhood Visitor (Complete on Album)
30) [13m2] Streets of San Diego (Complete on Album)
31) [13m3/14m1] Ludlow's End (Complete on Album)
32) [14m2] The Saving Dart (Complete on Album except an unused/unreleased finale after the piano part)
33) End Credits Intro (Available via Credits DVD rip)
34) End Credits (Theme from The Lost World. Available on the Album).
35) Theme from Jurassic Park (Completely on Album/Used in Film)
EDIT:
DUH DUH DUH!
What I always thought was an alternate for "Rialto Ripples" is ACTUALLY "Wompi's Wrench!" its on the album
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You gave the title the wrong name. The sheet music calls it "Big Feet" and under it is says "Tortured" but as a direction of how the cue should feel ;-)
As for park rip, yes, I ripped the unreleased music from the park by placing a recording device near a speaker lol I did this years ago lol
As for the special feature, its on the 4th disc that came with some of the JP box sets. In the TLW featurette, you hear a small tidbit of a piece of that cue.
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Alright, so far i've gone through the main bulk of the score. What we have:
01) [1m1] The Island's Voice (Complete from Album)
02) [2m2] Revealing the Plans (Complete from Album *fade out easily fabricated)
03) [3m1] To the Island (Complete from Album)
04) [3m2] The Stegosaurus (Complete From Album *fade out acheived via DVD rip)
05) [3m3] Finding the Baby (Complete from Album)
06) [4m1] Fire at Camp (Complete in DVD Rip)
07) [4m2] Corporate Choppers (Incomplete in DVD/ Complete in Park Rip)
08) [4m3/5m1] The Round Up (Complete on Album)
09) [5m2] Big Feet (Complete in DVD Rip)
10) [5m3/6m1 Pt. I] Spilling Petrol (Incomplete in DVD/ Complete in Park Rip)
11) [5m3/6m1 Pt. II] Horning In (Complete in DVD rip)
12) *still working on*
13) *still working on*
14) [7m2/8m1] Pain of Glass (Complete in DVD/ second half in Park Rip)
15) [8m2] Truck Stop (Complete In DVD/ Almost complete in Album)
16) [8m3] Reading the Map (Partial in Film/ Partial in Park Rip *about 85% complete now)
17) [8m4/9m1] The Trek (Complete in Album)
18) [9m2] The Compys! (Complete on Album *Intro achieved via DVD rip)
19) [9m3/10mA] The Compy's Dine (Complete in Album)
20) [10m1] Rialto Ripples (Partial on Album/ Partial in DVD rip/ Partial in Special Features Rip) *78% Complete
21) [10m2] Steiner in the Grass (Complete on Album)
22) [10m3/11m1] After the Fall (Complete on Album)
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I've been double checking this against the score edit I've done and so far so good.
Spilling Petrol was the first one that I had to change. What i thought was an insert is actually meant to be part of the cue. I had a suspicion but without the sheet music i could only guess where. I also have some extra stuff at the end that i have no idea where it goes as of yet.
Rampage as used in the film is original. It isn't tracked as we had feared. The version i have that i thought was an alternate still hasn't turned up in the score so i dunno yet.
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well, without the score to compare, i was guessing which cue was which lol... we were arguing over the same stuff lol...
Complete Cue List: The Lost World: Jurassic Park
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I wont', but i warn you, be sure to cite it. We had MASSIVE fights with them when JPL tried to re-write almost all the JP articles