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I personally felt the trailer was very well conceived and it sure as hell makes me excited for the film. Like Red Rabbit was saying, its not like most trailers for action films. And in that regard, its very intelligently crafted. Love it! Can't wait for this movie!
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There's a difference between comedic and too comedic. Theres a line. The Shire parts of the Fellowship of the Ring are comedic, but I'm afraid that Jackson might be pushing the line here...
You realise of course that you are talking about a children's book being adapted for a movie. Yes?
Of course. But Peter Jackson and crew are clearly targetting more mature audiences with the film. This isn't meant to be some silly film for children. This is supposed to be another epic film that recalls the glory of LOTR (which in itself is difficult because the context signifies nothing of the sort).
In the meantime, I'm am extremely excited for the Hobbit trailer coming up!
- KK
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There's a difference between comedic and too comedic. Theres a line. The Shire parts of the Fellowship of the Ring are comedic, but I'm afraid that Jackson might be pushing the line here...
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I'm a bit worried about the dwarves too, but I understand PJ's reasoning. I mean the idea of filming the Hobbit in itself poses a million difficulties (LOTR was pretty unfilm-able too, and then he did it). After all, its pretty difficult for the audience to connect to 13 different dwarves. Even being the intense LOTR fan that I am, I cannot name all 13 dwarves in one try.
Regardless, there are some weird designs for the dwarves that are kind of freaking me out. I'm really worried that the Hobbit might just be too comical...
- KK
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You missed the part where Shore mentioned the foghorn sounds from Inception will definitely make some appearances in the score!
Ah, yes, everytime Smaug appears on screen. That's a brilliant idea. Smaug... Foghorn... Get it? Get it?
Brilliant
Scary thing is, I can totally imagine Smaug appearing on screen with his foghorn.
MORE unreleased music? What will it be? Will it turn out to be that an entire new set of themes never saw that light of day. Shore would have to compose new hours of score just to fill up the endless releases LOTR keeps getting
And I would still buy that!
Who wouldn't? And I'm sure it will include the long-awaited concert suites of the Fellowship, Gondor and Reclamation of Nature's themes, plus themes for Tom Bombadil, the barrow-wight, Ghân-Buri-Ghân and Prince Imrahil!
And a theme for Goldberry, one for Guthlaf, another for Radbug, one for Hirluin and maybe a fun motif for Forlong the Fat. Boy, we're missing quite a bit aren't we?
OK, how many pieces will have Minas Tirith? And Barad-Dûr?
we wants it!....yes, precious, we wants the castles of evil men and filthy orcses....we must keep the fat cruel hobbitses away....yes, my precious....
No! It's mine! My own!! Gollum! Golllum! Stupid fat K.K.!
We wants it, we needs it. Must have the precious. They stole it from us. Sneaky little JWfanses. Wicked, tricksy, false!
- No. Not master!
Yes, precious, false! He will cheat you, hurt you, LIE.
- BloodBoal is our friend!
You don't have any friends; nobody likes you!
- I'm not listening... I'm not listening...
You're a liar and a thief.
- No!
*Murderer*.
- Go away!
Or if Gandalf were here, he would put it much eloquently:
"Fool of a Boal! Next time throw yourself in and rid us of your stupidity!"
- KK
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Well whenever anyone asks my what I like to listen to, I usually say something like "Hey, I'm a weird guy, so I listen to weird stuff". Usually I can get away with that
But if they really persisted, I'd probably give in and confess my love for classical music and film music.But a lot of my friends know I listen to film scores, and whenever I excitedly blabber on about some epic score that has come out, they tend to get annoyed
However, I can proudly say that I've managed to convert a few of my friends into film score fans (and one of them into an especially ardent collector...the wonders LOTR can do to people ). - KK
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The original from Osgiliath Invaded is clearly better. I mean there is such a great pace to it that you can't help but be swept away. But you've got to love the kickass music that follows after 4:29. Its the Gondor theme in action as Gandalf slowly ascends levels of Minas Tirith. Thats such an awesome scene!
And btw, everyone knows the most kick-ass rendition of the Fellowship theme is when its done with the choir in For Frodo!
- KK
They are extremely similar
Yes but the one in Osgiliath is more driven with the pulsating strings and flutes in the background, the 'revised' version sound less action-ey
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Thanks Incanus for all the kind words! Really appreciate it!
As for the use of "stale", I meant to use it a sense to describe the cold and more detached nature of the music. I was actually debating whether "stale" would be the right word because I knew that it could definitely give off the wrong vibe. I've changed it now though, thanks for the advice!
- KK
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It's the real thing, people. I contacted Howard Shore regarding this video. Here is his answer:
Hey, BB!
I'm glad you asked me this. It is indeed the real thing! I know this sound a little bit different from what I composed for The Lord Of The Rings, but PJ and I wanted to create a new sound for Middle-Earth. You should have seen Peter's face when he first listened to it. It was like: "WTF?" LOL! But he liked it instantly.
I can tell you there'll be a lot more synths in the scores. I know people complained we overused the orchestra in LOTR. Be sure I corrected that. And you can expect some guitar riffs as well.
I'll keep you inform on the progress of the score.
See you soon!
XOXO
Mr. S.
You missed the part where Shore mentioned the foghorn sounds from Inception will definitely make some appearances in the score!
WITH UNRELEASED MUSIC, FUCK YEAH!
MORE unreleased music? What will it be? Will it turn out to be that an entire new set of themes never saw that light of day. Shore would have to compose new hours of score just to fill up the endless releases LOTR keeps getting
And I would still buy that!
OK, how many pieces will have Minas Tirith? And Barad-Dûr?
we wants it!....yes, precious, we wants the castles of evil men and filthy orcses....we must keep the fat cruel hobbitses away....yes, my precious....
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Just a review I finally managed to get done.
http://musicmusekk.wordpress.com/2011/12/16/war-horse-john-williams/
Its quite long, but hopefully you'll get something out of it. It would be great if you can offer any criticism or feedback if possible.
Thanks!
- KK
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I just completed my own analysis of the score:
http://musicmusekk.wordpress.com/2011/12/16/war-horse-john-williams/
In the review I mention how what Incanus calls the Friendship theme is arguably just a variation of the Dartmoor theme. Moreover, I've included how Williams very intelligently plays around with Joey's thematic material (two themes that Incanus calls the Playful Horse theme and Joey's New Friends). If you listen carefully, the first four notes of Joey's New Friends (or what I call his friendship theme) acts as a driving motif at 0:18 in Learning the Call. Just a few things I pointed out in the analysis.
Any criticism and feedback is much appreciated! And please leave a comment on the site if you get a chance
Thanks a million!
- KK
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Hey guys, I know its been a while and the score's been discussed to death. But I recently completed my own analysis of the score:
http://musicmusekk.wordpress.com/2011/12/16/war-horse-john-williams/
Who knows? You might learn something new
- KK
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Or that of Steiner, Rozsa, Herrman, etc. I know how you feel; every time I see a post by a member known to be young, or jsut types like a youngen, I see stuff like ... well, I'll just give a couple examples so I don't derail things.
Top 5 scores? Okay, people like you and I might have a mixture of older composers and great scores, Alex north to Jerry Goldsmith (on the earlier to mid range works particularly), but the younger people ... they're lists look like:
"omg hard to chose. these scores have gotta be some of the best scores ever!
The Girl With the Dragon Tatoo
Kingdom of Heaven
Days of Thunder
The Rock
Hanna
CRINGE.
Or: I don't buy anything pre-1980.
Why is Kingdom of Heaven grouped up with Hanna and The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo? Kingdom of Heaven may not be the best score ever, but I'd give it a 5 star ranking. Its a great score, and its definitely above the standards of the other scores on that list. Its most definitely not cringe worthy!
As for pre-1980s scores, yup people really should explore the amazing scores by the legends of the Golden Age! Long live Rozsa!
While I love all the legends of the past (Rozsa, Hermann and Korngold are all awesome!) but John Williams has always and probably will always be on top! The man is currently the best at what he does.
- KK
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The Dark Knight prologue is already attached to Ghost Protocol. And we haven't seen the US release of Tintin yet, so considering how Peter Jackson is producer of the film, it makes sense that the trailer will be attached to the film. In terms of other films the trailer could be attached, Sherlock Holmes seems like the next logical choice.
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The teaser should be released this month (it is said to be attached to Tintin in the US (some sources say to Sherlock Holmes 2), so once Tintin is released, it should also appear on the internet pretty quickly (maybe even before Tintin is released)).
Elijah Wood claims that the trailer will be attached to Tintin in its US release. I posted the link earlier in this thread.
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Comparing Harry Potter to The Lord Of The Rings is like comparing Piranha 3D to Jaws.
Or fast food from McDonalds and gourmet food from some top chef like Gordon Ramsay or something...
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Both the books and the films don't even compare to the novels and the cinematic adaptions of The Lord of the Rings. LOTR wins on both levels. The story set the foundation for the next era of fantasy. The intellectual depth of the novels and the extraordinary thematic development in the novels are exemplary. Moreover, the films were brilliant and rank as my faourite films of all time. Few films have ever managed to capture the epicness and greatness of the genre.
Harry Potter failed largely in most of its films (with exceptions like the 3rd film). That and the 3 awesome scores we got from the maestro (yet even those don't compare to Shore's magnum opus).
HP is no contest to LOTR. It doesn't even come close.
- KK
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Indeed! Who would have thought that that gentle man you see on screen is really one conniving, manipulative little mastermind! That just makes me love him more than ever!
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I'm not sure about who convinced who, so I really don't have an answer to your question. But Jonathan Broxton recently had a meeting with Conrad Pope and they talked a lot about the brilliance of John Williams (Pope clearly adores the man).
Here is what he told me:
"He was full of praise for John Williams, and he clearly thinks that JW is the greatest film composer who has ever lived. He was trying to explain to us how scarily intelligent Williams is in musical terms, and also gave us an insight into how much of a sneaky sense of humor he has, and how he is a master at being able to make the director think he is in total control while he goes off and writes the music HE wants to write! He also told us about how Williams seems to have this innate knack for sniffing out commercial successes that everyone else thinks will be a flop - Home Alone, for example, which Bruce Broughton was originally going to score until Williams decided he wanted to do it instead because he understood its potential."
Just goes to show how Williams usually gets what he wants
(so maybe JW convincing Lucas to adapt to his opinions isn't such a far fetched idea after all).- KK
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Then you should give it more than one listen
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I love the track "The Reunion". Its one of the best tracks in the score.
Fun Fact: Williams has had 3 tracks (as far as I remember) named "The Reunion". The two others from A.I. and War of Worlds. All of them being amongst the highlights of their respective scores.
Can anyone name any other "Reunions"...
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A middle way is possible. Goldsmith showed that, I'd say. Insofar, I can agree with Gilliam. But as far as Williams is concerned, he doesn't score that many films these days, and when he does, they're usually films that are compatible with his musical approach.
Interesting, but I could imagine some films these days that would have done just fine with Williams' Minority Report style and approach.
Indeed. I feel that Williams always knows how to appropriately score the films he works on. Take for instance Minority Report or Presumed Innocent which work brilliantly in film. They may not be everyone's cup of tea on album, but they compliment the film really well. Perhaps those scores give way for people to "participate" with the film.
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I completely forgot about this! I'll get back to it as soon as I get the chance! And Skystalker, your medley is a pretty good compilation of Williams thematic ideas. I'd like you to see you crack at a big classic concert arrangement of Tintin's theme if you ever get the chance though
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Again, I picked this up at Filmtracks, but I thought there was no better place to share this than here.
http://herocomplex.l...d-transformers/
* On Hollywood scores: ”John Williams is a great musician but, wow, enough John. It isn’t his choice, of course, it’s the directors who allow him to take over a film and tell you exactly what you should be feeling every second of every minute of the film. I want people to come out with very different ideas of what the film is so they are real participants in the film as opposed to just paying observers. Most films now won’t let you in.”
It seems like Terry Gilliam is bashing John Williams for simply doing his job well. While I understand what he is trying to get at, his ideas seem to render the need for a composer as something useless. I mean what exactly is a score supposed to do? It's supposed to magnify and emphasize the emotional impact of the film musically, right? And every composer (with exceptions) has been and still are doing this. So it seems that all our favourite composers have just been scoring films all wrong. I know I'm probably exaggerating because the actual case is that Gilliam doesn't really go by the conventional method of film-making. Yet I can't help but disagree with him.
I haven't always been fond of what Terry Gilliam has had to say...
- KK
The Lord Of The Rings General Discussion Thread
in Tolkien Central
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Well, its December 20, 2011.
Happy 10th Birthday to the Fellowship of the Ring (and practically the trilogy as a whole!).
I wrote a little something in my blog:
http://musicmusekk.wordpress.com/2011/12/20/one-ring-to-rule-them-all/
Offer some comments and create some discussion in commemoration!
- KK