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Yes! Everything happens too fast, no moment is given the importance it deserves.
Stark: "Let's create artificial intelligent (ignore the Matrix, Terminator and every other media that has ever addressed AI, it'll be fine)
Banner: "Okay cool. Where do we begin?"
*Music play* ... Montage...even rocky had a montage....MONTAGE!
Stark: "Okay, let's party."
*Minutes later* Ultron is created, revolts, creates form, intimidates Avengers, escapes through the internet via the website: www.SlowItDown.com/RushingThePlot
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I was sat quite far from the screen and was definitely annoyed by the action sometimes being too quick, weightless and unrecognisable. I was struggling to care during action scenes because of the lack of a solid feel. The actors are clearly just swinging at nothing with Whedon off camera shouting "keep hitting, keep swinging, there's one behind you! Hit that!" And it feels like there is no substance to any fight.
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Considering Disney has worked with JNH 4 times, with their most recent film (Maleficent) being the most successful of the 4 and one of JNH's best, they may like him for a future SW film. Also with Lawrence Kasdan having a huge part of the history and future of SW, and considering he has worked with JNH 6 times, and keeps going back to him even after working with Silvestri, Horner and even Williams himself shows their good relationship. All the seeds for a positive and potentially incredible outcome.
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Super cereal
I'm a massive Joss Whedon fan, have been since 1997, but after seeing Age of Ultron, he has kind of revealed himself as a hypocrite. He is brilliant at writing strong female characters, and all he seems to do is tell people off for not doing the same and is a big campaigner for women having better role models in the media, yet *Spoiler* in Age of Ultron he demotes Black Widow to a romantic sidekick who pines for Banner because he's a 'good guy with a temper' as she puts it, and she is the only avenger captured by Ultron and locked away, and then she gets freed by a big strong man. Also the Scarlett Witch is a wimp that hides from battle until a big strong man comes along and tells her to get a grip a fight. Even the Korean scientist that works with Stark has a throw away line that suggests she fancies Thor. Kind of shooting yourself in the foot there Whedon.
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I think the best moment of the film was when we went inside the minds of the avengers. My personal favourite being when Cap finally made it to the dance he promised her.
Stan Lee's cameo is his best yet
Haha yeah, with Thors special brew.
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I enjoyed Age of Ultron, but man was the plot rushed, kind of ridiculous (even for a superhero film) and the music was completely forgettable besides about 3 moments, all from Elfman and Silvestri's reused stuff. Whedon is the master of combining brutal and terrifyingly evil scenes with humour. I don't think just any one can pull off something like he has, twice now.
I was laughing when Ultron was boasting of the billions that will die when his ridiculous plan of an asteroid hits earth. (Just build nukes...) he built a damn superbeing called Vision, so I doubt a big big big nuke is that hard to make, steal or buy. That big city of rock would barely do anything if dropped. Comets and asteroids are travelling at huge speeds and are very compacted solid iron rock etc, a soft big of soil a mile wide, dropped at a couple of hundred mph wont do anything...the Avengers should have just sat and watched and laughed when it didn't do any damage.
It was a very fun and entertaining film, especially the last act battle where finally they united in one place and we got a decent listen of elfmans hybrid silvestri theme. But the music/dialogue/sound effects mix was poor in the opening battle scenes, and although the comedy was enjoyable, the whole middle chapter of Ultron being created and 'taking over the internet' etc was kind of rushed and stupidity won again over supposedly great minds of Stark and Banner, who thought it would be a good idea to create some artificial intelligence and then leave it and go have drinks and party.
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If Giacchino doesn't use 'Do You Think He Saurus?' For Jurassic World then someone in his executive pun department should be fired.
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This will no doubt be a Score and film that has the vibe of UP. I know pixar films have that outward child appearance with an adult story, but judging by what I've seen and heard so far, Giacchino has no doubt had fun with this film, yet he will also no doubt shred our hearts from our chests.
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I agree. Tyler seems insecure to showcase any melodies he writes. I do feel they are a tad generic, for example I can barely tell the difference between his Thor, Iron Man and even his TMNT theme. I think he isn't comfortable as others who have strong themes that they put at the front and layer it with background elements whereas like you say, Tyler has the background elements in the foreground and hides his melodies in the background. I know it might be strange to hear but I think his Furious 7 score is my favourite of his. I enjoy his Thor and Iron Man etc but he doesn't hide in Furious 7. He just pounds lots of themes out and gives them decent and fun goes. His 7 note percussive main theme heard in the first piece on the score is very fun and simply written. It is all so over the top with choir moments for a fight between Statham and Diesel haha but it works as ridiculous fun.After I see the film tomorrow I'll give it another listen to make sense of it in my head.
I think the problem nowadays is that the actual melodic content of a cue tends to be buried under a far louder potpourri of tutti ostinatos and the pounding of a percussion section too large, requiring the listener to pay a lot of attention to discern what actually makes the cue worth to listen to.
I'm probably exaggerating, but I'd appreciate it if composers like Tyler would write in a more linear, multi-layered way and not feel the urge to double everything or write a multitude of percussion elements to hide the fact that melodically, there's only one or two things going on. After a while, the solid, homogeneous wall Tyler tends to build begins to tire, and to be honest, his cues are not the only ones suffering from this, although Elfman tends to write more linearly which I ultimately prefer. I'm not saying I don't like Tyler's underscore at all - there are a couple of cues I did enjoy listening to - but it's not really my cup of tea.
In fact - a bit off-topic, I admit - most of the Zimmer-bashing crowd doesn't realise that the music he composes really doesn't suffer from all of this - he does tend to write linearly and constructs music consisting of different layers and various interesting textures resounding and interacting with each other at the same time. I'm afraid his textures just don't appeal to a lot of people here.
It is true what you say about Zimmer, most of the time he isn't my cup of tea, but he doesn't hide his melodies (when he writes strong ones). POTC 3 is just theme after theme, very hummable and fun.
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After I see the film tomorrow I'll give it another listen to make sense of it in my head.
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Although Tyler's action pieces tend to be wall to wall sound of string ostinato and brass hits, I do like hearing some of his influences in his scores. It reminds me of JNH's Hunger Games chase ideas at 0:32, and some David Arnold preferred high brass shakes at 1:35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uft_fYsCJ8I&index=15&list=PLKYq1YUeKWf0ESJEcDtZHIXEJXHBr-qcB -
wow, nice. Loving the musical continuity. I was afraid that Elfman would overshadow Tyler and we'd have a pick and choose score of mostly Elfman tracks, but this is actually all round enjoyable. I'm liking Tyler's stuff almost equally to Elfman's.
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At least there's some good about the Score immediately evident in that piece. Tyler has used Silvestri's Captain America Theme. You can hear him nod to it at 0:23.
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I think he was suggesting the way it will be written is an homage to Williams. He was probably asked by a clueless journalist about 'what it will sound like' and he replied with that, suggesting motifs, thematically written etc, instead of brahmsssss and some techno drum hits.
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Not my words. Tyler said it'll be an homage to Williams. Not sure what he meant by it but those last few seconds are basically Star Wars. So more of a copy and paste than an homage.
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Tyler was right about it being an homage to John Williams, he almost breaks out into the Force Theme at the end of this piece
https://m.soundcloud.com/classic_fm/avengers-age-of-ultron-rise-together-brian-tyler
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This is interesting. I guess he'll be passing on his knowledge, and doing some more concerts. I hope this isn't a sign of him wanting to step back a little from Composing.
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I was lucky enough to go to Arnold live in Concert last year and will again in 2 months time. Independence Day was ridiculous (Good ridiculous!) There was a choir present also, which blew the roof off the place. I'm afraid I agree with others here, that without Arnold's powerhouse Score it isn't that interesting to me. Even if Williams did it in some alternate fantasy dimension, I still would miss Arnold's sweeping love theme, his massive main theme, and his classic menacing theme for the aliens. Man it's a great score.
When Emmerich does his Stargate sequels, I fear again that he wont bring Arnold back, and considering my utter devotion and obsession with all things Stargate for the past 20 years, I would never accept anything other than an Arnold return. His Stargate theme is probably my favourite theme ever written from anything.
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John Barry's King Kong
Token Barry with sweeping strings and signature brass. Never have to look hard for a solid memorable theme. Also can't get enough of those organ moments, and love the added touches in orchestration to match on-screen action (e.g. the waterfall scene)
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That Mock-up is my video from my channel. Glad people found it. A friend of mine sent me the mock-up and I made a rough vid with pics of JNH and stuck it up on youtube.Cool! I Would Plant A Tree was lovely.
Do you know where I can hear that?
The only thing close to a 'concert work' by JNH I've heard is the GRAND CANYON fanfare -- but that is film music, strictly speaking.
Thanks for the link, that was very beautiful and finely crafted. It is an excellent mockup.
Good news though folks (if you haven't already heard), a CD will be released of both his Concerto and his I would Plant a Tree Symphony.
Here's the link - http://m.ocregister.com/articles/clair-654130-howard-work.html
"These musicians will record the work this week during concerts and it will join I Will Plant a Tree on CD."
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From Derby
Did you used to shop at Movie Boulevard, in Leeds?
I've not been to Leeds no.
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I'm in the Gallery too for both concerts. I was told by the Hollywood in Vienna organisers that JNH is attending both concerts, but he will be receiving the award and doing his necessary speech etc at the Gala Concert on the 16th. I don't know if that info is correct, but it came from them so I'm assuming so.Perfect, thanks! Just got two tickets on the gallery, front row. I'm at the normal concert, so the special guests won't be there anyway.
This was their message - "Dear Lee, The concert on the 15th will be the same program as the 16th and JNH as guest as well, and the concert on the 16th is the gala concert with red carpet, where JNH will receive the Max Steiner Award.
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Thanks for the info, much appreciated.
That sounds good yeah.Welcome Lee!
Usually we do a meet up of fellow JWFans in Boston just before the concert on Saturday!
I'm staying at the 'Hostel International Boston,' which has good reviews and is very cheap for Boston. It might be a long walk from the Hall, so I'll probably be getting a taxi back. It saves getting lost and brutally killed.Where are you staying when going to the concerts? I'd like a hotel that's walking distance from the hall.
I'm also staying at the Hostel International. For finding your way back, the easiest way is taking the T (underground/metro/subway) but from the Mass Ave stop on the orange line (just a two minute walk from the Symphony stop on the green line). That would bring you back up to Chinatown where the hostel is in just five minutes or so. As for getting brutally killed, just a reminder that it is Boston, not Baltimore.
For those of us only attending the Friday performance, will there be a JW Fan meeting/dinner before too?
I'm free to meet up both nights as well.
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Looks like it'll be JNH this year at the Hollywood in Vienna Concerts and Awards.
When you start a thread like this can you please include a link to where you learned this information? Thanks!
My bad. Will do.
John Powell's PAN (2015)
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I've heard from random places that Powell has replaced Marianelli, but no confirmation has been announced as far as I know...
Does anyone know what's going on with this, because I was hugely excited for a Marianelli Pan Score. Powell is great and I am interested in what he would create, but I was looking forward to Marianelli.