Harry Potter 0 Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 I was listening to The Patriot again today, and I have to stand by my opinion that it's a great score. I don't see how many people don't like it.~Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 I agree, Harry.Movie-wise, here are my rankings:1.) Harry Potter2.) A.I.3.) The Patriot4.) AOTCRay Bansbury-who loves them all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter 0 Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 Movie wise:HAH Joe! I like them all! I can't put them in an order!!!! HAHAHA!!!~Harry :spiny: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted May 22, 2002 Author Share Posted May 22, 2002 3.) The Patriot & AOTC (tie) A.I. is gorgeous, innovative, and completely unlike anything else I have heard. How dare you put AOTC down with The Patriot And, if you think AI is that innovative, you don't know much modern classical music Rather than being innovative, it's in the style of modern classical music.AOTC is more innovative.Here is my list for the movies.1. AI (Don't baaaaaaaa! me Joe :roll: )2. Tie Harry Potter/Attack of the Clones (neither was perfect I think)3. The Patriot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 Mmmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted May 22, 2002 Author Share Posted May 22, 2002 What's that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin 2 Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 Who knows... Justin - :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 3.) The Patriot & AOTC (tie) A.I. is gorgeous, innovative, and completely unlike anything else I have heard. How dare you put AOTC down with The Patriot And, if you think AI is that innovative, you don't know much modern classical music Rather than being innovative, it's in the style of modern classical music.AOTC is more innovative.Here is my list for the movies.1. AI (Don't baaaaaaaa! me Joe :roll: )2. Tie Harry Potter/Attack of the Clones (neither was perfect I think)3. The PatriotYes I dare to put AOTC with The Patriot, I like them equally. :tongue2: And you're right, I know nothing about classical music. By innovative I meant that to me, A.I. sounds very unique compared with many other of Williams' scores. You say AOTC is more innovative, that's fine. To me it sounds more like his other scores than A.I.Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted May 22, 2002 Author Share Posted May 22, 2002 I mean it, listen to The Arena at 3:50-4:05 never heard anything quite like that before. Much of the action music is very original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Director 1 Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 Morn, despite our mutual disdain for eachother, I agree with you.Movie-wise:1. A.I.2. Harry Potter/Attack Of The Clones3. The PatriotDan - having to leave soon "Bonding" from Stepmom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 I also agre with both of you Hector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted May 22, 2002 Author Share Posted May 22, 2002 mutual disdain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 He was only kidding :lookaround: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Director 1 Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 It also saddens me, my old friend, but it has come to this.Dan - preparing his troops "Trade Federation March" from Episode I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted May 22, 2002 Author Share Posted May 22, 2002 Fine, it is so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Director 1 Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 Goodbye, dear friend. I will see you at your end! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: Dan - who said that with a haughy British accent "The Shuttle" from SpaceCamp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 It still sounds Hornerishly fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caldeira 0 Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 1 - AI2 - The Patriot3 - Harry Potter4 - AOTCIMHO, AI is the best score so far. It works brilliantly in the film and is the ultimate example of Williams versatility. The Patriot comes close behind. I don't understand why people bash it so much. I love the themes, the action cues and the sentimental ones. It's one of my favourites Williams scores and one that I listen the most. As for Harry Potter I think it is vintage Williams, beautiful themes, great orchestrations and a sense of magic as the film requested but still not has good as The Patriot (I know this is odd for some of you, but don't forget that this is highly subjective and personal). AOTC, well... it's groing on me but I think it will always be the weakest Star Wars score for me, sorry. :lookaround: It failed to astonish me like the others did and that had to do with the absence of new themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mari 279 Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 I was listening to The Patriot again today, and I have to stand by my opinion that it's a great score. I don't see how many people don't like it.Harry, I agree! My ranking would be:1. Harry Potter2. AOTC3. The Patriot4. A.I.Mari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 You liked The Patriot better than A.I.? :cry2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mari 279 Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 Yes - I know it is a minority opinion. :lookaround: I've listened to A.I. several times and it doesn't move me the way The Patriot does. I really enjoy a few of the tracks, but not the whole CD.Mari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 1. The Patriot2. A.I. Artificial Intelligence3. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone4. Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the ClonesIt may seem as though I'm simply listing the scores chronologically, but that wasn't the intention. Until recently, I'd've switched #2 and #3, but Harry Potter is gradually sounding less and less impressive to me. Like Episode II - Attack of the Clones, it features a slew of themes, most of which, unfortunately, are mediocre. It's as though Williams is employing the leitmotif out of obligation instead out of inspiration. Grade on orchestrational complexity all you want; it's not really a priority in film scoring.I don't really find A.I. that "innovative." Williams explores a bit of fairly new territory (for him) with the minimalism, the post-modern dabbling, and the vocalise. Much of the score is simply Always rehashed. What makes this score stand out for me are the stunningly lyrical themes. When I first heard "Where Dreams Are Born," I was floored. Some call it "schmaltzy"; I call it classic. Then there's the theme for the Blue Fairy, David's theme, and the "Abandoned in the Woods" theme...Still, all that beauty doesn't pack the emotional punch of The Patriot, which, taken as a whole, beggars Williams's comparable work for Born of the Fourth of July. ("Susan Speaks." Need I say more? ) The only nagging aspect is the unarguable derivation of the main theme from "Dry Your Tears, Afrika" or from "American Journey." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Director 1 Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 Hector -- "Hornerishly fake"??? IF it weren't directed towards me, I would crack up and congratulate you on a funny. However....... :evil: Dan - laughing, deep, deep, deep down inside "Night And Day And Night" from Pay It Forward (T. Newman) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Director 1 Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 Caldiera! Where were you? Dan - happy to see another familiar name "One Kiss" from Pay It Forward (T. Newman) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted May 23, 2002 Author Share Posted May 23, 2002 Grade on orchestrational complexity all you want; it's not really a priority in film scoring. No, but the detail can add to enjoyment.And what do you mean Harry Potter lacks good themes? Yet I think Monica's Theme is a pretty poor theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Director 1 Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 "Monica's Theme" is a poor thing??? Are you out of your mind? It's only Johnny's 2nd most beautiful theme ever!Dan - thinking Morn in a poor scab "The Legend Of The Pianist" from The Legend Of 1900 (Morricone) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 Hector -- "Hornerishly fake"??? IF it weren't directed towards me, I would crack up and congratulate you on a funny. However....... :evil: Dan - laughing, deep, deep, deep down inside "Night And Day And Night" from Pay It Forward (T. Newman)Sorry man, I couldn't pass up the opportunity Hector - who thinks Monica's Theme is beautiful!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter 0 Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 Who said A.I. is Horner?~Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ren 75 Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 I had to say HP. After reading the books, I sincerely think that JW did a FANTASTIC job fitting his 'take' of the books to music. everytime I read the books, I hear his music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 Someone said that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Director 1 Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 When I was re-reading Book One, I was listening to the score and it was awesome! The "Diagon Alley" cue was going perfectly with what I was reading. Something about "The Chess Game" during the Christmas stuff didn't fit too well, though. he he heDan - wondering why Ren changed her avatar (again) "Playing Love" from The Legend Of 1900 (Morricone) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter 0 Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 Thanks to me!!!~Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ren 75 Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 hmmmmmmmi was changing it so i was back to the "old" reni was waiting for Harry to fix it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Director 1 Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 Well, fix it, Harry!Dan- who likes the new Ren "Baka" from The Devil's Advocate (Howard) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ren 75 Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 oooohhhhhh :oops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter 0 Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 I did fix it. That's why she has it back!~Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ren 75 Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 exactly!standing O for Harry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 What is going on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Director 1 Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 (IN NUTE GUNRAY VOICE)Ah! Hector! We meet again!Dan - interested in seeing what develops "Chateau D'If" from The Count Of Monte Cristo (Shearmur) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godrics Ghost 0 Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 It's interesting looking at the votes as they now stand - because that's exactly the way I feel - a three way tie between Attack of the Clones, Harry Potter, and A.I., but The Patriot far down below. I don't dislike The Patriot score, but I really haven't listened to it since the week I bought it. It doesn't inspire me. Harry Potter and A.I., on the other hand, had been wearing holes in my CD player until Attack of the Clones was released.Since I had to choose one, I chose Attack of the Clones - but I really think it's a three-way tossup for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 (IN NUTE GUNRAY VOICE)Ah! Hector! We meet again!Dan - interested in seeing what develops "Chateau D'If" from The Count Of Monte Cristo (Shearmur)what is "nute gunray"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Director 1 Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 Why, the Viceroy of the Trade Federation, of course. You know -- the one with the cool Jafar hat.Dan - certain Hector will know what he's talking about now......right, Hector??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 I didn't know he had a name. At least a given name for reference.I also never understood why they gave the ewoks names. How sure were they that was their names? Can they even pronounce them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Director 1 Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 Well, I'm sure every Ewok comes from the same family. They all have the same last name. Didn't you know that? They're all named Lucas!Dan - being cruel to George again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 You mean because they're all short and furry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted May 24, 2002 Author Share Posted May 24, 2002 "Monica's Theme" is a poor thing??? Are you out of your mind? It's only Johnny's 2nd most beautiful theme ever!Dan - thinking Morn in a poor scabIt's way way too sappy. Plus it's not that catchy either. Now Blue Fairy, there is a great theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Director 1 Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 Yes "The Blue Fairy" theme is gorgeous, but the simple beauty of "Monica's Theme" is so calming and gentle, not to mention romantic. I love it. Dan - who will include it in his "Salute To John Williams" montage/arrangement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted May 26, 2002 Share Posted May 26, 2002 Not like Monica's Theme? I'm not sure I understand those words! I agree with Dan, it's one of Williams' most beautiful themes ever, possibly #1 for me. Since you said it was #2, Dan, what is your #1?Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Director 1 Posted May 29, 2002 Share Posted May 29, 2002 Well, Ray -- in my opinion, Williams most gorgeous melody is "The Blue Fairy" theme...even though "Monica's Theme" rivals from time to time. His most thrilling melody is "Flying Theme from E.T" in my opinion.Director - who could go on and on about his "favorites" from Johnny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted May 30, 2002 Share Posted May 30, 2002 Agreed, E.T.'s Flying Theme is his most thrilling theme, just as it says on the liner notes of the Greatest Hits Album.Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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