Goldsmith's Timeline to be released!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

From Varese's NEWS page. http://www.varesesarabande.com/News.asp

Christmas Eve Announcement!

Date: 12/24/2003

We hope that everyone who reads this managed to find something to enjoy among our many soundtrack releases of 2003. We are already hard at work on many exciting new projects for 2004. Save your Christmas money. You?re going to need it! We wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a happy and healthy New Year. To raise the curtain on just one of the projects we are working on, we are very pleased to announce that we will indeed be releasing Jerry Goldsmith?s unused score from the film Timeline. Though unfortunate post-production events required the film to be rescored, we?re certainly not going to let that stand in our way from releasing Goldsmith?s magnificent music. And it won?t be just any CD. 2004 will bring Jerry Goldsmith?s Timeline as a special edition, deluxe, fully-compatible, hybrid SACD. Playable on all compact disc players, our release will present this orchestral tour-de-force as an audiophile spectacular. This will be a regular release, not a CD Club exclusive. Do we have more surprises in store? Of course we do. Expect the unexpected!

Merry Christmas Varese, and thanks.

Stefancos- who will be picking this one up.

[Morlock 11]

It's a great score. Way better than Tyler's.

Morlock- who already has part of it

[Lurker 5]

This is excellent news! Does anyone know how the re-use fees will affect this, since the score was never used in the film? I really hope the whole thing gets released. The album FSM reviewed was about 79 minutes worth of music.

Now bring on the special edition, deluxe, fully-compatible, hybrid SACD of Star Trek - The Motion Picture!

Neil

[Hector J. Guzman 1]

YEAH, BABY!!!!!!!

[Ollie 1,061]

The press release states it as a deluxe edition so I would imagine it will be quite lengthy.

Could this possibly be a good sign that Paramount may be willing to open their vaults?????

[Hector J. Guzman 1]

I hope it's not quite pricey

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

This is excellent news!  Does anyone know how the re-use fees will affect this, since the score was never used in the film?  

It's possible that they were able to strike a deal because it was a rejected score.

Since it would normally not be released in any legal form perhaps they were able to get a kind of a bargain on it.

I mean, for the musicians getting less then normal is a lot better then getting nothing at all.

Also, aren't re-use fees reduced if the members of the orchestra are listed in the liner notes?

Stefancos- who will get this.

[Hector J. Guzman 1]

Well, I hope I know who played the contrabasson

[King Mark 3,631]

Why does every single Goldsmith score gets released,even several issues for even the most obscure stuff(Poltergeist 2,Man from Uncle vol.100),while there's still a bunch of Williams stuff to be released.

It's because the people who actually have power to release this stuff,the FSM people and the likes,are Goldsmith fanboys before anything else.

K.M.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

It's because the people who actually have power to release this stuff,the FSM people and the likes,are Goldsmith fanboys before anything else.

K.M.

And we love them dearly for it.

YAY VARESE!!!

P.S.

At least Goldsmith has not sold his soul to Sony Classical.

Stefancos- who would never buy an release of Gidget Goes To Rome.

[King Mark 3,631]

There`s still Dracula,Family Plot,Black SundayToD,LC,Monsignor that need complete releases

I`m sure Timeline isn`t better or worse than anything Goldsmith has written in the past 10 years,ever since I stopped buying his albums.

And what if Timeline was rejected because...well,it does suck.

K.M.

[Lurker 5]

Timeline was not rejected. Goldsmith's score was dropped as a result of drastic re-editing. It seems he may have actually scored the film twice, and passed on a third opportunity.

Neil

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

And what if Timeline was rejected because...well,it does suck.

K.M.

Know you nothing, my King?

Present day Goldsmith is more consistantly good then present day Williams. I mean, Goldsmith did not come up with a travesty like The Patriot.

I hope Timeline will be as good a score as Star Trek: Nemesis, then i'll be more then happy.

Stefancos- drooling all over his keyboard, without watching Internet porn.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

It seems he may have actually scored the film twice, and passed on a third opportunity.

Neil

Can't say I blame him, after a while enough is enough, and he was probably scheduled for something else anyway.

Is the FSM review of the 79 minute promo :roll: still out there, I can't find it?

Stefancos- who always knew this one would turn up soon, but not legit.

[Morlock 11]

And it does not suck. It is better than most recent Goldsmith efforts.

And so waht if you'd never buy Gidget goes to Rome? Most of his earlier work sucks. Goldsmith has been consistant, having duds every 2 or 3 years.

[Hector J. Guzman 1]

And I respected king mark's opinions... what a turn of events

We love him anyway

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Star Trek X: Nemesis

The Sum of All Fears

The Last Castle

Along Came a Spider

Hollow Man

The 13th Warrior

The Haunting

The Mummy

Star Trek IX: Insurrection

Small Soldiers

Mulan

U.S. Marshals

Deep Rising

See this list, all consistantly fine scores for the films they were composed for.

And most of them are a joy to listen to on CD.

Stop your scorn Master Morlock, and embrace the Line of Time.

Stefancos-

[King Mark 3,631]

Present day Goldsmith is more consistantly good then present day Williams. I mean, Goldsmith did not come up with a travesty like The Patriot.

porn

And remember you also call the CoS c.d. a waste of money,which I rank one of Williams better c.d. albums

I totally disagree,Goldsmith lately has been mediocre and uninspired(The Mummy,ST Nemesis).The Patriot may not be Williams greatest achievment,but there`s a lot of great tracks.

K.M.

[Lurker 5]

Is the FSM review of the 79 minute promo :roll: still out there, I can't find it?

You can read it here.

And it was my mistake. The album they review is 73 minutes.

Neil

[King Mark 3,631]

Star Trek X: Nemesis  

The Sum of All Fears  

The Last Castle  

Along Came a Spider  

Hollow Man  

The 13th Warrior  

The Haunting  

The Mummy  

Star Trek IX: Insurrection

Small Soldiers

Mulan  

U.S. Marshals  

Deep Rising

:

none of these have grabbed my attention to make me go buy the c.d.,and that`s usually how I decide if I`m going to buy a film score(except Williams)

Here`s what grabbed MY attention:

Star Trek The Motion Picture

The Final Conflict

Poltergeist

Explorers

Gremlins

Twighlight Zone The Movie

Secret of Nihm

Supregirl

King Solomon`s Mines

Legend

Goldsmith doesn`t write like that anymore.

K.M.

[Hector J. Guzman 1]

Maybe he wants to join that guy who reviewed Timeline's score by Tyler chicken over at www.cinemusic.com .

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

And remember you also call the CoS c.d. a waste of money,which I rank one of Williams better c.d. albums.

Really?

Look, i'm dying to hear the unreleased music from the first Potter film, but not in the score of the second film, wedged in with the few new themes that Williams was able to compose.

This kinda thing might work for Home Alone II, but CoS needed a full blown Williams score, not a mere patchwork.

And don't get me started on The Patriot.

It has one good cue, the first one, and it might be the greatest case of plagiary and self-ripp off that Williams has ever done.

Stefancos- who listens to The Unfinished Journey, if he wants to hear music from The Patriot.

[King Mark 3,631]

I have to spend the evening with my aunts and uncles,my stepbrother and a bunch of screaming brats,and had to turn down my friend to see RotK,so I am a bit uptight.

K.M.Who just tossed a pair of pants in the washing machine

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

So am I.

I haven't had sex in 2 days.

Stefancos- trying to cope.

[King Mark 3,631]

I haven't had sex with another person in...oh my :cry:

K.M.

[Morlock 11]

The Patriot is probably the most run-of-the-mill Williams score ever.

And of the list, 9 are sub par. And the fact they fit the movies (which they certainly do) doesn't mean a good cd. Pick just about any Williams score of the past 30 years and you get something album worthy. Goldsmith has more crap (to crap movies) in the past 15 years than Williams has in his whole career.

And except for Monsignor and The Missouri Breaks, there is not a single Williams score that I don't like at least one track of.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

This new century???

Poor KM.

Poor Miss Pussy.

Jogging helps, as do cold showerrs and thinking of your grandmother.

And if all else fails you could always join a convent.

But that's a different story all together.

Anyway, was this score recorded in L.A. or in London?

If it was done in London it will more likely be a longer release.

Stefancos- who just saw Goldsmith cancelled his concert in Monaco and is worried.

[Hector J. Guzman 1]

The Patriot is probably the most run-of-the-mill Williams score ever.  

And of the list, 9 are sub par. And the fact they fit the movies (which they certainly do) doesn't mean a good cd. Pick just about any Williams score of the past 30 years and you get something album worthy. Goldsmith has more crap (to crap movies) in the past 15 years than Williams has in his whole career.  

And except for Monsignor and The Missouri Breaks, there is not a single Williams score that I don't like at least one track of.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

 And of the list, 9 are sub par. And the fact they fit the movies (which they certainly do) doesn't mean a good cd.

Scores are composed for a movie, to accompany it and help to deliver it's emotions to the audience.

For me that is always the first and foremost task of a film score AND the most important thing on which I will judge it.

If you judge a score only by how it plays on CD you might as well start collecting classical music.

They are filmscores, not living room scores or discman scores, they have a purpose beyong their listenability as an Album.

Stefancos- surprised how few filmscore fans (excuse me while i die laughing) grasp this simple fact.

[King Mark 3,631]

And remember you also call the CoS c.d. a waste of money,which I rank one of Williams better c.d. albums.

Really?

Look, i'm dying to hear the unreleased music from the first Potter film, but not in the score of the second film, wedged in with the few new themes that Williams was able to compose.

This kinda thing might work for Home Alone II, but CoS needed a full blown Williams score, not a mere patchwork.

I agree,this will be a blotch forever on the Harry Potter scores,and I dopn`t really care about a `complete`CoS score,but I stand by my statement,because I enjoy the music Williams wrote for the c.d.

[Hector J. Guzman 1]

BTW, what does "run-on-the-mill" mean?

[King Mark 3,631]

Stefancos- surprised how few filmscore fans (excuse me while i die laughing) grasp this simple fact.

Because that`s your way of looking at it.

K.M.

[Hector J. Guzman 1]

Well, if that were entirely true, then there no purpose in my buying film soundtracks, if their purpose is to serve the film, then I'd have to watch the film, and I do not always (and most of the time) want to do that.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Because that`s your way of looking at it.

K.M.

In this case I believe my way of looking at it is the correct way.

What differs film music from almost any other genre of music is that it was not written solely for the purpose letting an audience listen to it on it's own terms.

Judging film music solely on how it plays on CD is as futile as letting a scolar of Wagner review the latest Justin Timberlake album.

Stefancos- who's thread has surely lived up discussion hete. (poor..poor Melange)

[King Mark 3,631]

If I`m going to listen to film music on it it has to stand on it`s own as pure music.Williams still manages to do that,and Goldsmith..used to.

In the 70`s 80`s and early 90`s the composers had more artistic freedom,and film music actually came to rival classical music that could be played in the concert hall.That is not much true anymore,and I wouldn`t see myself attracted to the genre from the new type of `serviceable and self-effacing`film scores i hear nowadays.

K.M.

[Hector J. Guzman 1]

Yes, I want to reply in Melange's thread.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Well, if that were entirely true, then there no purpose in my buying film soundtracks, if their purpose is to serve the film, then I'd have to watch the film, and I do not always (and most of the time) want to do that.

Look, I never said it's the ONLY criteria, and they are plenty of scores out there that are brilliant in the film, but unlistenable on CD (90% of what I have heard from Morricone).

But I will say this, I have yet to hear a Goldsmith score that was not 100% perfect for the film it was composed for.

Stefancos-

[Mr. Breathmask 555]

They are filmscores, not living room scores or discman scores, they have a purpose beyong their listenability as an Album.

Stefancos- surprised how few filmscore fans (excuse me while i die laughing) grasp this simple fact.

True, but I have to say, that I won't easily buy a CD if it's not listenable. I have to have something to hold on to musically, a main title theme or something, whatever. I want the music itself to engage me, and not fall flat without images. If this happens, but the score works wonders for the film, and is fitting enough, I'll respect it and enjoy it in the film anyways, but I just prefer when the music "entertains" beyond the film, and works well on CD. Although, listening to filmmusic outside of the film is taking it out of context anyway (JW said this himself, right?).

- Marc, who likes pretty much all aspects of film, standalone or ensemble.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Yes, I want to reply in Melange's thread.

Yes me to.

OPEN THE THREAD...FREE ADAM...ATTICA...ATTICA...KILL ALL WHITIES!!!

Stefancos- protesting against da man.

[Hector J. Guzman 1]

Look, I never said it's the ONLY criteria, and they are plenty of scores out there that are brilliant in the film, but unlistenable on CD (90% of what I have heard from Morricone).  

But I will say this, I have yet to hear a Goldsmith score that was not 100% perfect for the film it was composed for.

I agree there... Goldsmith, along with Williams is what drive me to love film music. And those two I wholeheartedly have to thank

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I want the music itself to engage me, and not fall flat without images. If this happens, but the score works wonders for the film, and is fitting enough, I'll respect it and enjoy it in the film anyways,

And there is nothing wrong with it, as long as you don't say "This score sucks cause it's boring on CD!"

but I just prefer when the music "entertains" beyond the film, and works well on CD.

I think that counts for all of us.

And in defense of Jerry Goldsmith, who is often critisized that his scores kinda all sound the same.

To a certain extent this is true, and Goldsmith has developed a very personal style that is instantly identifiable, but I consider it a plus.

I actually like the fact that I can tell a score is composed by Goldsmith without knowing the film that is playing on TV.

Most composers of the new generation kinda all sound interchangeble.

Jerry Goldsmith does not sound like any other filmcomposer working today

Jerry Goldsmith sounds like Jerry Goldsmith.

Stefancos- who is not payed by Mr. Goldsmith for this post, but probably should be.

[Morlock 11]

Scores are composed for a movie, to accompany it and help to deliver it's emotions to the audience.

For me that is always the first and foremost task of a film score AND the most important thing on which I will judge it.

If you judge a score only by how it plays on CD you might as well start collecting classical music.

They are filmscores, not living room scores or discman scores, they have a purpose beyong their listenability as an Album.

Stefancos- surprised how few filmscore fans (excuse me while i die laughing) grasp this simple fact.

Judging film music solely on how it plays on CD is as futile as letting a scolar of Wagner review the latest Justin Timberlake album.

This is of course true- but we were discussing the release of albums, and FSM's biased towards Goldsmith. Williams and Goldsmith both score their movies to perfection. But it is an undeniable fact that the quality of Williams' movies is superior to the quality of Goldsmith's movies, leading to better scores that work better on CD.

That was my point- Williams complete works is at least as CD worthy as Goldsmith's, if not more.

[Mr. Breathmask 555]

I want the music itself to engage me, and not fall flat without images. If this happens, but the score works wonders for the film, and is fitting enough, I'll respect it and enjoy it in the film anyways,

And there is nothing wrong with it, as long as you don't say "This score sucks cause it's boring on CD!"

I won't. I think I'm wiser than that.

- Marc, who has never heard a Goldsmith score outside of a film. Yes, yes, I know. I'll go and nail myself to that woe-tree thingy now.

[Mr. Breathmask 555]

That was my point- Williams complete works is at least as CD worthy as Goldsmith's, if not more.

That is undeniably true. Give me some proper full releases of the Indy scores, Hook, JP 1 & 2, the SW prequels, and the HP series already, dagnammit!

- Marc, wants more Williams in stores; or better yet, in his collection.

[King Mark 3,631]

For me that is always the first and foremost task of a film score AND the most important thing on which I will judge it.

.

That is what Williams politely says in interviews too,but there is contradiction in his actions.When he play his music in concert he says that he can play the music without the distraction of the film,which is the whole point of doing concerts,and in some other interviews he hints towards to snobbiness of some classical music people towards the acceptance of film scores.

K.M.Who doesn`t think Williams would play his music in concert if he didn`t think it could not stand on it`s own.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

- Marc, who has never heard a Goldsmith score outside of a film.

Ass..fool!

Yes, yes, I know. I'll go and nail myself to that woe-tree thingy now.  

Ummm...how would you be able to nail both arms on the tree by yourself?

Not so smart as you think you are, eh???

Stefancos- who thinks Marc should bring a friend and a nail gun.

[Hector J. Guzman 1]

Yes, I want to reply in Melange's thread.

Yes me to.

OPEN THE THREAD...FREE ADAM...ATTICA...ATTICA...KILL ALL WHITIES!!!

Stefancos- protesting against da man.

Melange's been busy posting at Jerry Goldsmith Online Forum, posing as Ommadawn.

If I`m going to listen to film music on it it has to stand on it`s own as pure music.Williams still manages to do that,and Goldsmith..used to.  

In the 70`s 80`s and early 90`s the composers had more artistic freedom,and film music actually came to rival classical music that could be played in the concert hall.That is not much true anymore,and I wouldn`t see myself attracted to the genre from the new type of `serviceable and self-effacing`film scores i hear nowadays.  

K.M.  

But both Williams and Goldsmith have been doing what they always do, of course, they have evolved from what they once were. They are still doing film music, and like Williams said, you'd be wrong if the audience will have their complete attention to the music. You say that about Goldsmith because you're so used to Williams, that you can not enjoy the rest.

Handel Messiah

Soloists

Academy of St. Martin in the Fields

Sir Neville Marriner

[Mr. Breathmask 555]

I'll use a monkey-suit and velcro.

- Marc,

[King Mark 3,631]

And there is nothing wrong with it, as long as you don't say "This score sucks cause it's boring on CD!"

No,but i can`t say it`s great if the c.d. bores me to death.This would be the case of Minority Report,works great in the film,but my least favourite Williams score on c.d. except the last track

K.M.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

This is of course true- but we were discussing the release of albums, and FSM's biased towards Goldsmith.

I was not discussing FSM's bias towards Goldsmith (who hates FSM, btw)

Williams and Goldsmith both score their movies to perfection. But it is an undeniable fact that the quality of Williams' movies is superior to the quality of Goldsmith's movies,

For the most part I agree, though I think The Patriot, TPM and AOTC hardly qualify as quality film making.

leading to better scores that work better on CD.

Wrong, absolutely wrong, the quality of a score has nothing to do with the quality of the film it was written for.

Most people think the film Hook is crap, but they also think the score is great.

Moonraker is a poor film, the score is brilliant.

Star Trek The Motion Picture is a rather sub par film, but it's score is one of the best ever.

The score for Conan The Barbarian is 10 times better then the actual film.

And don't even get me started on the Star wars prequels.

That was my point- Williams complete works is at least as CD worthy as Goldsmith's, if not more

Both are outstanding, I think.

Stefancos- on a posting spree, leaving Ren's postcount lightyears behind.