Guest Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 Please could any of you JW fans out there tell me what the exact role William Ross played in Harry Potter -Chamber of Secrets, apart from conducting the LSO? Did he actually write any of the music and if so what tracks?Another little question . What has happened to Alexander Courage. I hope that he is still with us!Thank all . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin 2 Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 William Ross Adapted and Conducted. Whatever that means. :roll: Justin -Who has an idea but isn't sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter 0 Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 Try this thread for starters: http://www.jwfan.net/modules.php?op=modloa...iewtopic&t=1530~Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 I think that Willam Ross took some of previews Williams's scores and put them together for a few scenes. I think you can tell which ones are the newly written queues and the stitched up music.I suppose that was done due to the fact that Williams was too busy to write the whole score?But the new tracks i.e The spiders and the main themes are fantastic!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,206 Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 Alexander Courage has retired a year or two ago I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter 0 Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 Alexander Courage has retired a year or two ago I believe.Who's doing Jerry Goldsmith's orchestrations now that Mr. Courage is not?~Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 Goldsmith's score to Nemesis was orchestrated by Mark McKenzie and Conrad Pope.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter 0 Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Mr. Courage orchestrate a great many of Mr. Goldsmith's scores? Does Mr. Courage not orchestrating mean "the Jerry Goldsmith" sound is going to change or has changed? I haven't heard any of his scores lately, so I don't know.~Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,206 Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 Courage has indeed been a long-time collaborator of Goldsmith. However, I think Goldsmith's orchestral sketches are about as detailed as Williams', so the orchestrators don't really have that much influence.Marian - who thinks he read this in several discussions on the various boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 I've read it too, and almost as detailed as Williams. Same goes for Horner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanticStrings 10 Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 Mr. Courage orchestrated Jurassic Park. Neat, huh?~Conor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter 0 Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 Courage has indeed been a long-time collaborator of Goldsmith. However, I think Goldsmith's orchestral sketches are about as detailed as Williams', so the orchestrators don't really have that much influence.Marian - who thinks he read this in several discussions on the various boards. :spiny:But the orchestrators must have more work with Goldsmith's scores than Williams's scores since they get credited on Goldsmith's albums, correct?~Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 No, it means that Goldsmith is more gracious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 Williams' albums make it seem like he does everything.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 Courage has indeed been a long-time collaborator of Goldsmith. However, I think Goldsmith's orchestral sketches are about as detailed as Williams', so the orchestrators don't really have that much influence.:spiny:Dunno,after Legend his sound is DEFINATELY different.Dunno how to explain it.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,206 Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 Of course it is. But he changed his entire style in the mid-80s. If you attribute that to the orchestrators, you're basically saying Goldsmith does hardly write anything himself.I'd say is just a conscious stylistic change by himself.Marian - who knows Goldsmith's concert works sound like his movie scores from the same times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 Williams' albums make it seem like he does everything.Not really. There's (generally) the curious omission of an orchestration credit, probably because Williams isn't responsible for the entire orchestration process. I'm not saying that Williams's sketches aren't largely complete but that obviously he's not doing all the dirty work himself and thus cannot claim the "orchestrated by" credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,206 Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 On the other hand, other albums usually credit the orchestrators (unless they're "composed and orchestrated by" the composer). Williams' scores have these credits in the movie credits, but not on the albums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 On the other hand, other albums usually credit the orchestrators (unless they're "composed and orchestrated by" the composer). Williams' scores have these credits in the movie credits, but not on the albums.True,Elliot Goldenthal has a co-orchestrations credits and Howard Shore has orchestrator's credits on Lord of the Ring (probably because he had the luxury of time to do the job him self?-I am not sure) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 On the other hand, other albums usually credit the orchestrators (unless they're "composed and orchestrated by" the composer). Williams' scores have these credits in the movie credits, but not on the albums.True,Elliot Goldenthal has a co-orchestrations credits and Howard Shore has orchestrator's credits on Lord of the Ring (probably because he had the luxury of time to do the job him self?-I am not sure)As a rule, composers such as Howard Shore and Don Davis do their own orchestrations in their entirety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted February 24, 2003 Share Posted February 24, 2003 Williams' albums make it seem like he does everything.Not really. There's (generally) the curious omission of an orchestration credit, probably because Williams isn't responsible for the entire orchestration process. I'm not saying that Williams's sketches aren't largely complete but that obviously he's not doing all the dirty work himself and thus cannot claim the "orchestrated by" credit.It is unlikely that he leaves any composition (and instrument selection) up to the orchestrator. I quite see Williams point, why credit an orchestrator as an orchestrator when he's really a composers assistant or perhaps copyist.Elliot Goldenthal has a co-orchestrations credits and Howard Shore has orchestrator's credits on Lord of the Ring (probably because he had the luxury of time to do the job him self?-I am not sure) More likely he's a control freak or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted February 24, 2003 Share Posted February 24, 2003 Williams' albums make it seem like he does everything.Not really. There's (generally) the curious omission of an orchestration credit, probably because Williams isn't responsible for the entire orchestration process. I'm not saying that Williams's sketches aren't largely complete but that obviously he's not doing all the dirty work himself and thus cannot claim the "orchestrated by" credit.It is unlikely that he leaves any composition (and instrument selection) up to the orchestrator. I quite see Williams point, why credit an orchestrator as an orchestrator when he's really a composers assistant or perhaps copyist.Why not credit himself as the orchestrator, then? You're missing the point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted February 25, 2003 Share Posted February 25, 2003 Because in hollywood orchestrator is a job title, not merely like a part of the process of composing.... sort of thing. Because these glorified copyists do the work that that any orchestrator does minius some steps they are orchestrators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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