Faleel 5,371 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 http://newboards.theonering.net/forum/gforum/perl/gforum.cgi?post=879339;sb=post_time;so=DESC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unreadThis is pretty funny actually. There's almost an insinuation that Thranduil has been unwilling to fully embrace his son all these years. Join the club!It has been confirmed to be in the appendices (at least part of it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 20, 2015 Author Share Posted October 20, 2015 http://newboards.theonering.net/forum/gforum/perl/gforum.cgi?post=879339;sb=post_time;so=DESC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unreadThis is pretty funny actually. There's almost an insinuation that Thranduil has been unwilling to fully embrace his son all these years. Join the club!What a god-awful line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Yep. I think some people are in danger of being carried away with all the scenes they left out, as though everything omitted should have been included. Some were deleted for good reason, and I think this to be one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 20, 2015 Author Share Posted October 20, 2015 Well, had it been included, at least it would have explained the whole family jewels business and brought that subplot to some sort of conclusion.But damn... What a god-awful line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,386 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Here's the thing: If your second beat of a two-beat sub-story doesnt' work and you want to cut it, then you have to cut the set-up beat from the film too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Per an item on your AUJ list BB - that guy on TORN found this in the appendices:There was a scene with dwarves driving a cart through what I assume is Greenwood, and Thranduil wears a crown of berries. Not much shared about it, but it's nice to see something besides Erebor was planned for the prologue. I could have happily gone for a longer prologue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 20, 2015 Author Share Posted October 20, 2015 So the pic we have is from that scene, right?Added the info to the list. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,371 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Apparently PJ and Cate Blanchett would have Cameoed as a Dwarf couple at one point.http://newboards.theonering.net/forum/gforum/perl/gforum.cgi?post=879060;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#879420Dain's red axe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 They cameod together in Hot Fuzz too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 20, 2015 Author Share Posted October 20, 2015 I knew PJ was in that film, but didn't know about Cate Blanchett being in there too.Dain's red axeDamn. He looks so much better here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,371 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Apparently PJ and Cate Blanchett would have Cameoed as a Dwarf couple at one point.Image: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Faleel 5,371 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Apparently BOTFA EE Appendices has a LOTR deleted scene too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,386 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Prosthetic Dain > CGI Dain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Can't believe the Appendices actually show more deleted scenes than the extended edition of the film...The scenes in the extended edition are no longer deleted scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 20, 2015 Author Share Posted October 20, 2015 That's deep, dude. SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Its just common sense, bruv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,371 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Apparently BOTFA EE Appendices has a LOTR deleted scene too....False alarm, its just the scene of Gimli wishing he had an army of Dwarves from ROTK.Some of the Palantir scene is in the Appendices:http://newboards.theonering.net/forum/gforum/perl/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=879060;page=6;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25;#879468 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 20, 2015 Author Share Posted October 20, 2015 You keep on linking to the first page of this thread, instead of the page where the stuff you mention is talked about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,371 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,386 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Well, I guess that re-confirms that what he/we would have seen in the palantir is a vision of Sauron using Smaug to lead an attack army. Damn, would have been cool to see that - especially since the music is so cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,371 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 What is weird is that Doug or Jim implied that was NOT what they saw in the cut they were shown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,386 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Jim hasn't seen any footage we haven't, I don't think - he just has access to paperwork and music and Doug's stories of what he saw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 20, 2015 Author Share Posted October 20, 2015 Try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,371 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Jim hasn't seen any footage we haven't, I don't think.Well apparently either he saw the little girl being healed by Tauriel, or read the paperwork about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 20, 2015 Author Share Posted October 20, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Who is Jim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,386 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Fal is right. I remember Doug saying that Gandalf did NOT see Smaug leading Sauron's armies in the Palantir. Interesting. Who is Jim? http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showuser=19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,371 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Who is Jim?Jim WareWho is Jim?Jim Kirk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 20, 2015 Author Share Posted October 20, 2015 Fal is right. I remember Doug saying that Gandalf did NOT see Smaug leading Sauron's armies in the Palantir.Interesting.Found his post:Shouldn't it have been an image of Smaug leading Sauron's armies, as per the Chronicles book?It wasn't that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,386 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 How could Sauron see Smaug leading his armies in the Palantir if that action never happened?This is actually where PJ screwed up in FOTR. By showing the Shire in ruins when Frodo looks into the Palantir, but not including the scouring of the Shire.The shot of Sam in chains is stupid!The Palantir doesn't show a future that never happened. Not in the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 20, 2015 Author Share Posted October 20, 2015 How could Sauron see Smaug leading his armies in the Palantir if that action never happened?Gandalf, not Sauron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 My point stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,371 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Dol Guldur Palantir shots:Apparently at one point Gandalf was going to chase Sauron "to the Sea of Rhun, southeast of Erebor. The idea was that Sauron would climb to the talk of this tall rock with a seeing seat (think Amon Hen), and Gandalf would chase him to the top, whereat Sauron would disappear. This got vetoed because, in fact, Gandalf needs to get to the Battle to warn his friends of the impending danger. And so we have "leave Sauron to me."http://newboards.theonering.net/forum/gforum/perl/gforum.cgi?post=879060;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#879479My point stands.Because Sauron is showing him his plan. By showing the Shire in ruins when Frodo looks into the PalantirFrodo never looked into the Palantir.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,386 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Why is the palantir scene in the BOFA appendixes instead of the DOS appendixes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,371 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Why is the palantir scene in the BOFA appendixes instead of the DOS appendixes?Probably because they wanted to discuss all of the Dol Guldur stuff in once place after everyone had seen the films? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,386 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Hmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,371 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Also because it can apparently still be seen in the BOTFA film somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,386 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 The palantir itself can? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,371 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 The palantir itself can?Apparently: "we conjectured that there may very well have been a Palantir in there. in the end, we realize we didn't need it. And so it's there for keen eyes to spot." Hey BB watching the Beorn appendice of DOS there are some extra bits for Gandalf's introduction of the Company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,721 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 How could Sauron see Smaug leading his armies in the Palantir if that action never happened?This is actually where PJ screwed up in FOTR. By showing the Shire in ruins when Frodo looks into the Palantir, but not including the scouring of the Shire.The shot of Sam in chains is stupid!The Palantir doesn't show a future that never happened. Not in the book.Hey they are already bending Tolkien backwards in this film so what is another "interpretation" on the qualities of Palantír. And no the Seeing-stone only saw the present and the "reality" or what was shown to the viewer if a stronger will and other Palantír was present but they could not see to the future.The palantir itself can?Apparently:"we conjectured that there may very well have been a Palantir in there. in the end, we realize we didn't need it. And so it's there for keen eyes to spot."I am so glad that scene was not in the film. Damn you PJ and your Tolkien twisting ways! Plus Dol Guldur was never a Númenorean fortress and there certainly were no "extra" Palantír lying around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 21, 2015 Author Share Posted October 21, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,721 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 There will be countless examples of those small tweaks. The script was as we know literally rewritten daily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 21, 2015 Author Share Posted October 21, 2015 Well, I try to stick to what we know was shot!And what I mentioned was shot, since it's shown in one of the production diaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,721 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I applaud your industry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Is 'A Hobbit's Understanding' here definitely tracked? It sounds different to the Moria one no? I'm thinking it can't be new though since the opening is from 'Courage and Wisdom':https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbjoNUVny-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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