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I found out what it is!!!! And if you like the Lord of the Rings music, and don't have it, you should try to find it. If you look, it's not too hard. It's based on Lux Aeterna which was I think originally a choral piece. Okay...Here's the skinny: http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~miker...luxaeterna.html A description from someone that was listening to it: I have the Two Towers Theme (Lux Aeterna, a very intense song, indeed) blasting loudly from my speakers...The song booms with a regular rhythm like horse hoofs pounding in a raging fury It fits so well with the rest of the music, and is perfect with the battles at the end. I always supposed it would be on the CD's. I figured out it wasn't when I saw the track lists though. I would never have guessed Shore didn't write it. And it is on the trailer for Two Towers...it's 1:42 into the trailer (I rewatched it at http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/lord_of_th...the_two_towers/ -any movie player works there). But.....is that piece on the movie at all?? Come to think of it I don't know if it is, which is too bad. The version I found of it sounds really great, and isn't cut or anything. It's way better in its entirety than on the trailer. There was a link on that page above to an Ebert article explaining the decision to "recycle" the piece but since the article was 2 yrs ago...it's in their archives. Only $2.95 to view it! :? Too bad. I wonder who composed the LOTR orchestral version....cause man is it great. I guess it wasn't Shore from what it says in the article. Very interesting. And if you're looking for it, beware of the "remix" fake that's out there...it was made with some sort of program like Sibelius (but the title is the same), the one I have is the trailer version uncut.

I'm looking for the name to a cue... I don't have the cd's (yet) but looking at the tracklists and timing, it doesn't fit any if them. It says on it "Two Towers Theme" but that title isn't on the TT cd (or any of them). It's not part of one of them either. It seems like the music was in one of the trailers for TT, actually I can't remember. It's really dramatic. It's big and loud, and gets louder and louder...it starts with a male voice singing Middle Eastern yodeling stuff, and coming in later with the two note theme that is repeated all through the cue. (da-dah, da-da-da-dah, da-da-da-dah) and it builds and builds to a big banging end. Very militaristic, you could imagine an army marching to it. Actually you could almost headbang to it near the end.... banghead It's 6:34 in length.

It is Sirius's theme, but there is a an extra note- melodically, the last note. The second to last pitch is what Sirius's Theme would usually end on, but it fools the ears because he makes that pitch a "grace note" to the last one. (see below) The last pitch is a half step down (and it's also the starting pitch). I suppose this beginning quote is to foreshadow Harry seeing the Grim. Sirius's Theme-(at 1:30 on that cue)- dah-dah-DAAH-DAAH-- at the beginning in the harpsichord- dah-dah-DAAH--dee-DAAH-- This cue just knocks me out. It's complex, involving, and high on difficulty. It reminds me so much of Shostakovich's 5th- Finale(4th mvmt), especially when the strings take up the melody after the brassy intro (and heaviest at 0:44-0:54). The rhythm (8th-2 16ths three times, then 4 16ths), the intensity, the syncopation, the character of the whole cue. Such great counterpoint. Which speaking of, it also brings to mind Shark Cage Fugue. This cue is one of my top JW cues now. Also love the "cycling" strings figure at 1:02, and the trumpet/horn call-answer at 2:03-2:13. Just super JW writing, amazing. The next track (since it's playing now), that plucked strings section is fabulous.

Funny how many of the unreleased tracks are the ones that have the Peter's Theme statements...a glaring omission from the CD. JW decides what from the moive makes it to the CD and in what form right? It seems like one of those would have been included, or put together with another cue to at least make it to the CD. I wonder why Williams would leave it out, considering the big plot twist in POA is about Peter??

My Yahoo ID is gab1279 If you're still doing the briefcase... I only got the first four cues from the geocities one. The others didn't work.

Man I LOVE Sirius's Theme for his sighting, etc. So simple yet dramatic. POA is really fine JW.... Double Trouble is mischevious and just genius. Arrival at Hogwarts - I especially like the accompaning harpsichord/ organ-ish part doing the running sixteenths under the main melody. It reminds me of Bach. Is it really a harpsichord, I wonder? It sounds more organ-ish. Or was that achieved with a synthesized sound? Curious.

Agreed. But it's cheaper than anywhere else where I live. Half the employees wouldn' know the difference between an AMD and a Lays sour cream and chives chip. One didn't even know what a TOSLINK cable was. This part I so agree with. Best Buy's computer dept has been sorely lacking in basic knowledge of various products for a few years for me. They're ok for other stuff, but if i need advice on computer equip. I definitely go to Circuit City.

His performance was amazing. He played a great mentor/father figure and was very caring. He was believeable I thought. I hope they retain the original main cast as long as they can...the "trio" is getting older but there are ways to "age down" people. I wouldn't mind some discrepancy there....considering the material coming, and they're older, more experienced, they could have some truly outstanding performances coming. :-) Speaking of-those who just saw it (and anyone else if you want) what do think of the performances of "the trio" this time? Emma Watson- Yes she had a great performance, she's certainly a capable actor. Although partly she was lucky in this one that the material had Hermione as a strong character that was at the forefront of it all. Rupert Grint- I liked him a lot in this movie, maybe because now he's gone through puberty, and he's got more atttitude, sharp wittiness, and he's more cool. He was kinda cheesy in the first 2, the cute little red haired pal that says "Wicked!" every minute or so. Daniel Radcliffe- Actually I think he's pretty darn good. Many reviews think he's not great, but its a big improvement over the first 2. He was great in the dementor scenes. Starting with this film he seems to be "dialing in" as an actor. He hasn't been in very many movies in his life, as compared to Elijah Wood-star of the other current "fantasy epic", who has been in tons since he was really little. I just saw ROTK, and even with all that experience, Wood left something to be desired in his emotion being believeable...(maybe because S. Astin was upstaging him in that area) But I won't digress. (Promise!) Both of them (Daniel, Elijah) are turning into fine looking guys though- huge blue eyes, dark messy hair, and pale as snow skin. Weird- how they have the same coloring. Creepy coincidence.

For me The Spielberg/Williams Collaboration started my Williams fascination. I got it in 94, I remember I was just going into high school. I got it because a good friend-a horn player!-had it and was wild about it. In fact that CD spread like crazy among our set that was really into studying music. It's such a good collection of stuff that is so representative of Williams. After hearing tons of his other stuff now, the Always Theme and Shark Cage Fugue are still two of my favorite Williams cues. Close Encounters just amazes me still after years of listening. The whole thing is great. I was considering getting the 1969-99 set for a while. The 1st CD of that set would duplicate most of the S/W Collaboration CD, so I haven't gotten it. The performances on the S/W Collaboartion are great w. the Boston Pops. What orchestra is it on the 1969-99 set?

If I would have thought to search for "national public radio," I might have come across those sites myself. Still, good to know of for the future. There'll be more performances of these pieces, somewhere...probably this year even. I have never heard them, but eventually there'll be a chance, even if it's not until a CD release. Oh well. The interview sounded fascinating though... Wasn't there a webcast in late 2003 of Soundings at least? Maybe that'll be replayed somewhere sometime. Now I think I'll start keeping an eye on these NPR sites more. You never know what you can find there, there's always various events and other good stuff (non JW) on NPR. Our local NPR just has the plain vanilla programs, I'm not near enough to any good orchestra's base to get their concerts.

I think I'm going to give up and go do something else (like maybe go exercise my frustrations away...haha) ANYONE live in the WGBH area? Just curious. Well, good afternoon all (NOT!)

Okay this is what I posted to them....I don't mind putting it. I know we all feel the same way. When they read all these, their ears should be flaming. to WGBH: A lot of very dedicated fans of John Williams are sitting at their computers now all over the world wanting to hear his concert music that many have never heard before. We have been tuning in to WGBH, getting excited for ths concert. At the last minute, all our streams go to Shostakovich instead of the concert we have been EAGERLY anticipating. This is WRONG on your part as a station. It gains you a bevy of important listeners from all over the world for us to be able to listen to concert webcasts. This is a travesty, and I won't be listening to the station anymore, if this is an example of what happens when you have a SymphonyCast "live concert broadcast"! Terrible. If there were technical problems, then please rebroadcast the John Wiliams Tanglewood concert so everyone around the world (who can't live in Boston or be there)CAN HEAR his music. This was going to be a BIG event for his fans to be able to hear Soundings and the Horn Concerto, and there was a crowd of listeners tuning in special to WGBH for it. You ruined it, what a shame!

This burns me up! I still don't see how they could be cutting the Internet stream out of it, and not their local listeners as well. How could they have TWO broadcasts at once? Maybe the locals are getting cut out of it too. (Oddly that would make me feel somewhat better) I'll post what my comments were to them...if others of you do...they're not that nice...

They specifially said it would be broadcast didn't they, on their page? How would they be able to block out what you hear on the radio from the stream coming online?? Is that possible...one radio station, one stream for everybody...right I don't get it.

Is there a delay? Now they're playing a violin piece with Sejii Ozawa conducting?? It's 1:30 in TX...so 2:30 there. Weird. I just heard the Pops in Space too. I just tuned in. I'm planning on recording it with my MP3 player/recorder, i tested it and it came out good. Where's the concert...it's 1:37 by my clock...

Morgan Freeman was the voice on the video. (Probably everybody figured that out though) It was a nice deal. Celebratory Concert- I have a rundown of the Fox News Channel footage under "Williams at Democratic Convention" thread. About 30 min of nice JW and Pops footage- and fireworks w/ music display- JW was right up in the limelight with Kerry/Edwards- great stuff. I have tape of it too.

This was some good JW footage. Here's a sort of transcript if you didn't catch it... I caught this on at the very end the first time, so I stayed up late to catch it again when Fox reran the night's shows. It was during On the Record with Greta Van Susteren. It's about 30 min of footage, and it is REALLY NICE of John Williams and the Pops members. As they were waiting for Kerry to arrive, they are showing JW conducting the Pops (with choir), then James Taylor comes out and sings something (patriotic) with them briefly. They go into "1812 Overture", and during that they start talking about JW. The reporter on the scene has a Boston view of the scene so she talks about how JW and the Pops have orchestrated the music and fireworks to perfectly sync- as well as the "perfect" moment for Kerry to appear on stage. They mention he's composed for many many big movies, Star Wars is the first they think of, they speak in tones of great respect. Just before they go into the fast last section of 1812, Kerry appears, with a nod to Williams...then Edwards appears too, as the piece finishes they come to the front and raise hands in triumph lol. Williams looks so happy as he turns around to view the scene after the piece. This is when the fireworks start, to taped music. As fireworks start, Kerry turns around, catches Williams' eye and rushes to him shaking hands, thanking him, urges him to come forward with them to see the fireworks. A little ways into the fireworks, he turns to JW again and speaks, and urges JW and front row orchestra members to also come closer to see the fireworks. He is very considerate and gracious to the orchestra. The pieces on this recording are: Olympic Fanfare, something that is Williams I'm sure but drawing a blank, (Hopak?) Dance from Nutcracker Suite, America from West Side Story, right into a JW medley...Superman, E.T., Indiana Jones(interesting how it goes into..),Star Wars....then perfectly cut and timed (with a CRASH-BIG ole firework) into O Fortuna from Carmina Burana, then Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves, Wagner's Ride of the Valkyries, and 1812 Overture again. At end of fireworks, commentary talks about the interesting history of 1812 Overture, and why they would have chosen it to begin and end with tonight. No commercials, no commentary, the recording was REALLY brilliant. AMAZING timed fireworks, just great. During the fireworks, Kerry's wife Teresa was really getting into the music, kind of waving her hand along to the music As Star Wars came in at the end, John Williams looks up at the fireworks, very proud. Wow, how must he feel right then! Great night for him and the Pops, and classy of Fox to show all this. Aww....after there is recording of the Beatles' "Love, Love, Love" and Kerry, Edwards, their wives, and James Taylor and John Williams all stand together on the podium arm in arm swaying. Williams looks excited, crooked bowtie and a little tufty hair from a night of conducting. Gotta love it! This is such GREAT footage of JW, as little as we see him on TV. He's waving and pointing to someone in crowd, now he's softly clapping his hands to the music, AWW..he looks so happy, proud, I'm getting teary eyed... he is looking older...but in good health. As Kerry, departs, he shakes hands with all, earnestly thanking and hugging JW, the Pops members look excited as they crowd to get to shake Kerry's hand- gotta say he gave the Pops and JW truly the respect they deserve. As they leave, commentary about Williams and him being conductor laureate. After Kerry, and JW, are gone from the stage, they keep showing the Pops members during commentary. They show good shots of them packing up, milling around, laughing, talking. Well, I'm so glad JW and the Pops had a big part in this affair, great for them! I got it all on tape too! Oh, and Ted Kennedy was a riot Tues from the clip I saw, can't believe they let him up there to lead the Pops in a piece! LOL It was Stars and Stripes, and he was just waving his arms like a madman (or drunk man maybe). The Pops were trying to NOT look at him, cause they kept cracking up too much when they'd sneak a peek to the podium..

This is truly the passing of an era in film music. His unique, majestic work was really a feature of Star Trek to me, and so many other movies. I knew he was ill, and was afraid it was more so than we may have heard, but I hoped he would be around for many more years. What a prolific career- I do wish I could have seen him conduct in person, such a distinguished man. This is a very sad day for the composing world. It is hard to get my mind around- and just reminds me of how precious the time is we are all able to share with the great composers of our time. God be with his family, friends, and all his fans. Thanks for the great music- Greta B.

The Lumberg character is hilarious in that movie. I listen to a lot of jazz, I like to collect jazz ensemble recordings, I like film music of course (mainly John Williams), I have a lot of blues, and good beginning of a classical collection but would like to expand it a lot. I have some neat classical saxophone, and sax quartet stuff since I'm a sax player. I have pop, and some rock, I only buy it if I think the artist is really talented and not just pretending they can really sing. It has to sound like real music, not noise. I really love wind symphony recordings and the big pieces/composers for wind band. I majored in music for a while in college and that's such a interesting medium. It takes some searching to find a bunch of really great wind band recordings but it's fun and I've been doing a lot of that lately. The U.S. Air Force band is amazing, you can get tons of their best recordings right from their website. http://www.usafband.com/recording_search.cfm The Cincinnati Wind Symphony is great, easy to find their stuff (their style is completely different from the Air Force band more like a symphony orchestra- big spacious ringing sound- listen to their Fennell recording of Lincolnshire Posy by Grainger, then listen to the U.S. Air Force band recording on their website) (The USAF Band's sound is more "traditional" wind band- lively, concise, great balance) North Texas Wind Symphony's with Eugene Corporon conducting is awesome too.

GOF is an unbelievable opportunity for whoever gets it. I would think there'll be a lot of jockeying around among the top guys to try get this job. I bet it really caused a stir among all of them when this news came out. I'm wondering how much they'll be attracted to how big the composer's name is in film (REALLY big, a name many recognize- (Howard Shore, Danny Elfman, James Horner) or...a name a little less recognized, but nevertheless very worthy... Alfonso Cuaron was a surprising choice as director for PoA with his background. Granted usually the director is the main decision maker in choosing the composer...? But the Harry Potter series has been a baby of David Heyman (is Chris Columbus -still producing at all? I don't know) and I would think the producers may have a large influence. I have mainly been well acquainted with JW film scores so far, I am new to the board and still learning the other big film names and what movies they go with. I wouldn't have realized what movies Basil Poledouris and Bruce Broughton scored a few months ago, and many of my college music friends don't know those names as opposed to Elfman, Shore, Horner. But Poledouris and Broughton have got chops and they could be considered. Basil Poledouris would be an interesting choice...I think he could possibly do some amazing things with the key scenes of the whole competition aspect. Is Jerry Goldsmith not doing any new scores lately due to his advanced age/health...? I haven't seen anyone mention Alan Silvestri....he's had some very strong scores....The Abyss is one of my favorite movies ever...a possibility? There are so many others...but whoever it is I think will need to have some distinct themes (a la John Wiliams) for various key elements to identify and separate them from each other and give clarity to this large amount of material. The Quidditch world cup, the various tasks, the meeting with Voldemort- leading to the linking of the wands. It does makes me wonder what themes we would have seen return in GOF if Williams were staying....Peter's Theme, considering the part he plays? Sirius's Theme, I especially liked, could have made a nice appearance...

Morlock and MaestroJW-Great posts, I agree with the plot holes. But all around it was so good that I didn't think about or realize those plot holes until after I had seen it, they didn't bother me during...maybe because there was so much to take in. I'm going see it again tomorrow for that reason! I was so absurdly into the score the first viewing lol. Also I just got the cue analysis (I'm new here), and so I'll be listening for that. I want to pick out Peter's Theme esp. and really notice how the score and film cues complement everything. I thought Cuaron was very imaginative and inventive. That was the highlight of his directing on this for me..the sequences with the clock-gears are amazing, the filming made me feel as if I were actually flying through the gears...really cool. And did he come up with the choir first? Then JW wrote music for them? The choir gave that mischevious flair... The grounds change I also thought was appropriate....this movie felt more real-world...with magic in it. Columbus was great, but Cuaron was really able to put his completely unique stamp by taking some risks and making some choices that were not literally by the book. He focused more than Columbus on the 3 kids' struggles, unique personalities, I liked that, it shows off Rowling's masterfully created characters. The score is just amazing, he shows so many sides...I suppose JW came up with the idea that Lupin liked to play jazz music??....which led to the music interspersed in the boggarts sequence, that REALLY picked up that scene. I'm a sax player so I was knocked out by Knight Bus.....I wished also it had been mixed louder or clearer there, that one alone screams out for many more listens! I play the whole CD over and over. The acting was as a whole great....David Thewlis was amazing, fascinating...I really felt his performance...(I saw the movie Timeline on pay per view this week, he was neat in that too). Gary Oldman, and the whole Sirius relationship was grossly underused to me..it's so important, but there is only 2 1/2 hrs....too bad he's such an outstanding actor. I thought Daniel was very good, much better than the other movies, big improvement. Emma was obviously super, and I really liked Rupert this time around......his cool older look and mischevious stuff perked up things, he was more interesting than Daniel often, it is a funnier character though. BTW, if you get HBO, they have this movie-Alan Rickman has lead role- "Something the Lord Has Made". He's really great in it. Southern accent, plays a 60ish doctor (I'm thinking they aged him for it...well I hope so at least). See ya'll, saxbabe409

I am already excited about GoF, with the direction he took on PoA, he could go a really different direction with GoF...This is my very first visit here! I can't believe I never thought to look up THE JW fan site before. I'm a really big fan. J.W. seems to have a never ending brain! It's amazing all that can caome from ONE person.....he has truly been blessed with a divine gift. The analysis and cue stuff were great! How did the info get compiled? Since PoA is still in the theatres?? It would have taken like 10 viewings. I'm seeing it again tomorrow, and I never see anything twice. :-) This score is SO inventive, he shows so many sides. And it particularly strikes me as to how very difficult some of the material is. Knight Bus...the flute solo.. etc On Track 15, Quidditch, Third Year- it reminds so much, esp. the rhythms, of the Final Mvmt. of Shostakovich's 5th Symphony- that piece was done handily in DCI (Drum Corps International)around 5 yrs ago and really stayed with me.. That track, Window to the Past, The Knight Bus, and Double Trouble are my favorites so far... Well, I posted my profile in the Member List....I'm close to finished in college.. I was a music major (saxophone) for 3 yrs, now marketing major... Be back tomorrow night.. G'night, saxbabe409 (Greta)