Chen G.
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I'm really not in the mind of engaging in a long discussion about The Last Jedi in a topic about Episode IX, so I'll just list pros and cons:
Pros: Its just fine!
Cons Its just fine...
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That’s because they aren’t set-up well, and are often told rather than shown.
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So we moved out of certain genres, but we still have good films.
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I dunno. I don't think cinema is any worst off then it was in any other period of its history.
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17 minutes ago, Batman's Diet Coke said:
The days of awesome blockbusters like Titanic[...]are over.
Wait, you complain about blockbusters being too grim, and bring up Titanic as an example?
I would perspecribe a dose of the second half of Titanic, to be taken once a day for two days; not to be taken with caffeinated drinks.
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Given the single, compact suite on The Last Jedi (which I like!) I'm not sure we'll get too much in the way of suites.
But I am hoping for something special for the end-credits. Even if its not the end for the episode (it better be!), it will be the end for the Williams "cycle", so it better be his gotterdammerung.
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Agree with that disagreement!
Although its a film that I myself grew to appreciate more on rewatches than in my first one or two viewings, so maybe that's the issue here.
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1 hour ago, TheUlyssesian said:
Seriousness is an aspiration for movies. It has to be EARNED. Not every movie has to be a profound epiphany. I hope people can compartmentalize. I enjoy both movies, light-hearted as well as serious ones. I don't however like pompous ones - like Nolan movies. Something like Dark Knight doesn't earn its seriousness so to me is a patently ridiculous movie.
I think Nolan manages it quite well in his Batman movies. And I think earnestness and seriousness are all the more admirable in blockbuster, genre films with fictional elements.
Its true that not all movies need to be like this: its important to have upbeat films, not to mention comedies.
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24 minutes ago, ocelot said:
only Hans Theme is Williams, both part A (Hero) and part B (Searching)
This.
People should, at the very least, see the movie and hear the score to see if the two parts even appear (and more importantly, emerge) in isolation, before they start talking about them as separate leitmotivic units.
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The unfinished tales have a rare gem of a story that happens in Numenore, Aldarion and Erendis. But the story of Numenore itself and its downfall is told in the appendices with all but the trivial details from the other versions (such as the shape of Sauron's altar) already in it.
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Even now, with the estate being very cooperative indeed, acquiring the rights to something isn't something that's done overnight. So if they can get by using what they can currently use - they'll probably take it.
And really, anything between the foundation of Numenore and the War of the Ring (except maybe the fall of Eregion which is very much expanded upon in the Unfinished Tales) is told in sufficient detail in the appendices alone. Tolkien's other writings don't add too much to this time period, which is little more than the connective tissue between the great tales of the First Age (Tolkien's original concept) and the two quests in the late Third Age.
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And exactly what pieces of important information about Numenore and its demise aren't in the Lord of the Rings appendices? None. Its not one of Tolkien's most well-fleshed out stories by any means.
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That's also true. In this particular case even more so because its also moving into a different medium (from film to TV).
I think continuity is important when you are trying to tell one story across several films. You would expect the individual parts of a single film to be in continuity with each other - and the same is to be expected of a series that functions as one big movie split into severa parts.
20 minutes ago, John said:They could also just go the mo-cap route and de-age certain actors like they did in Rogue One and that upcoming Scorsese movie.
If its the same actors you don't need them to mocap their roles. You just need to tweak their appearance. Its not impossible to get right.
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29 minutes ago, Nick1066 said:
t's ironic that the Elf characters are the logical ones that can be brought back store wide, because they're basically timeless, but can't (at least convincingly) because the actors who portrayed them are very mortal. I think they'll try to get who they can, as others have said just to pull in viewers, but I sort of wish they wouldn't.
Its part of why I thought its a good idea to go further back into Middle Earth's history where such characters either don't appear, or are younger enough that you can accept them being re-cast.
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1 minute ago, Barnald said:
There's also room for much younger incarnations of Denethor and Theoden
There totally is.
I think, going on with the (seemingly quite solid) notion that it will be an Aragorn origin story, we need look no further than what the sextet is telling us: As with most prequels, I'm sure the showrunners will try to enact a lot of the moments that are referenced in there: Well, Aragorn does talk with Eowyn about riding to war with Thengel, when Theoden was "only a small child", so that would very likely make it into the show.
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1 hour ago, Docteur Qui said:
I don't agree
Allow me to clarify: I don't think animated qualifies as a genre, either.
But I can still see Stefancos' point, even if I don't agree with it.
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Even from a fan-service standpoint, do you really think Dain or Bard would be important roles to reprise within the context of an Aragorn origin story? I don't think it will ever even cross the showrunners' minds.
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I don't see the reason for at least half of those to even make an appearance. Sure, they want some connective tissue, but this is all taking it a bit too far.
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Provided that the character's appearance won't be all too frequent, is it possible (given the absurd budget) that they would de-age him?
13 minutes ago, Nick1066 said:Shore returning would be sublime.
The interesting thing about that, however, is that Shore's creation is so vast from a thematic standpoint that he really has paved the road - either for himself or for another - very well. There already are established themes for just about every priniciple character in the story of Aragorn's origins: Two themes for Aragorn, a theme for Arwen, two themes for their relationship, a theme for Legolas, for Elrond (kinda), for Gandalf, for Sauron, etcetra...
Even if the showrunners were to dig further into the appendices, there's still ample grounds already set within Shore's magnum opus: we have a theme for Numenore (in the rarities), for Angmar (the Gundabad theme), for all the relevant Elf and Dwarf kingdoms, etc...
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Not necessarily: I mean, I enjoy most of Marvel's output, for instance.
But even if you're going down the lighthearted route, you still need to find a way to make your film register with the audience.
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I think you're right: they'll start in terra firma with young Aragorn, and if its succesful they'll follow it up by going further down the line of the early third age. Hell, they could even do the second age! There's really nothing too substantial in the Silmarilion about Numenore that isn't in the appendices in some form. There are references to all of these periods in the sextet, so it also works in terms of relying on existing content.
Interestingly, the only major story in Middle Earth's history not referenced in the sextet at all is The Children of Hurin: the most we get is that the book Aragorn is reading when he encounters Boromir is the tale of Turin Turambar, but the the inscription is in Elvish and out of camera angle, so its not something casual audience would manage to hang on to.
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But animation also lends itself to different style of coverage (because your camerawork and compositional choices can be completely uninhibited), tone, etc...
So its more than just a medium. From here to calling it a "genre" is not too big a stretch of the imagination...
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THE ADVENTURES OF HAN - 2018 John Williams theme for Solo: A Star Wars Story
in JOHN WILLIAMS
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Fictional worlds work best when they are not scrutinized, certainly in terms of what's off of the screen.
They're just the setting to the actual plot, anyway.