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  1. It think the fact that Halbrand/Southlands and Adar/Orcs serve a dual purpose is the reason the counting has been so vague since the start. Also, my theory that "Elendil and Isildur" actually represents the Faithful was just validated
  2. "That list came out to seventeen themes! This included character-specific themes for Galadriel, Elrond Half-elven, Sauron, Nori Brandyfoot, The Stranger, Durin IV, Bronwyn and Arondir, Halbrand (shared with the Southlands), Elendil and Isildur, Adar (shared with the Orcs), and The Mystics. I also wrote cultural or location specific themes for Valinor, Khazad-Dum, Númenor, Harfoots, The Southlands (shared with Halbrand), and the Orcs (shared with Adar). Lastly, I composed a theme to represent the Rings of Power themselves."
  3. I made this in anticipation of episode 3, may have posted it elsewhere: We don't yet know exactly what part of "The Mystics" is gonna turn out to be the recurring motif, but here's my guess: Hope this will help you who scan the episodic scores more carefully than me to locate it.
  4. I don't know about that. I'm just saying that The Annotated Scores aren't redundant because the book fleshed them out, they have some info you can't find in the book.
  5. This has been a very interesting thread, but since no-one else has mentioned it, I want to add that just because a composition was made before the final version, doesn't necessariloy mean it was the original composition. The Annotated Score details several occasions where Shore made a composition that was replaced for the Theatrical Cut and then either re-inserted for the Extended Edition or never was recorded at all. This is the appeal of The Annotated Score to me, since the "Unused Concepts" and "In The Making" segments were removed from the book. I don't mind this theory, but feel that I ought to contest this, since I, too, have had theories about Shore's use of modes debunked. The list leaves out several Lydian themes not connected to the Second Age (all of Éowyn's themes, Tauriel and Kili, arguably The Dark Places of the World), and Gondor Reborn is in E minor. But most importantly, Doug has already tied a compositional concept to the Second Age: the augmented second, as seen in the Lothlórien and Sauron themes. Of course, I can't speak for Shore's original intentions. Jaime Altozano had a similar theory that the Dorian mode represented Mankind, since it's used in both The Rohan Fanfare and The Realm of Gondor (and related music). I thought this was very credible, but when I asked Doug about it on the TheOneRing LotR score streams, he denied that it was Shore's intent. I'll see if I find the quote.
  6. This is a good article about Bear's thought process behind most of his themes. And it does once again confirm that there are 16 themes. https://nerdist.com/article/rings-of-power-composer-bear-mcreary-interview-character-themes-galadriel-elrond-the-stranger/
  7. Oh damn, that is indeed a cool connection that works beautifully no matter if it's intentional or not. This coming from me, who's pretty much stopped making links between Shore and Bear's scores (on that note, have we forgotten the Dwarven End-Cap everybody?). Also, I want to second TolkienSS's comment: I'm very grateful for your piano transcriptions, they've been a huge help to me.
  8. Looks like we'll still have to wait a while before he starts sharing any thematic/episodic insights (probably after the season is over). Here's an article that gave more immediate info: https://screenrant.com/lotr-rings-of-power-composer-bear-mccreary-interview/?utm_content=buffer73cdf&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_source=SR-TW&utm_campaign=SR-TW
  9. No, that's an entirely fair criticism. Except for that moment in the prologue when the Sauron ostinato mixes with Galadriel's music, it's very straightforward as far as I can tell. But never underestimate Bear McCreary. I'm of course biased, but what he did with Battlestar Galactica is hands down the coolest scoring-thing I've ever seen. It wouldn't surprise me the least if he intentionally holds back on significant developments, just like the show-runners have claimed that the first season will be a lot of set-up for future pay-off.
  10. There are multiple ways it can pan out. 1: Bear only specifically said that the instruments will disappear, not the theme itself. Perhaps the theme will survive Akallabêth, just with new orchestration. 2: Perhaps the Númenor music will split up in some regard, to represent the King's Men and the Faithful (this was my first approach back before the Númenor theme had been officially released, and I thought the A and B phrases had equal footing). Perhaps "Númenor" will grow increasingly darker along with its corruption, while "Elendil and Isildur" will grow to encompass all Faithful. If this is the case, "Númenor" should die along with the island, while "Elendil and Isildur" gets to thrive. 3: Perhaps Sauron's music will invade Númenor until his music dominates, and we get new themes for the realms of Arnor/Gondor. There's probably more ways it can go, and we have no way of knowing which. I for one, will wait and see (unless the show gets so bad that I drop it).
  11. I hope you understand that there are more way to analyse/appreciate music than yours? The sass is unproductive and childish. Once again, I don't expect to change anyone's mind with FacTs aNd LOgiC, but Bear's not breaking some fundamental rule of music/Tolkien by interpreting the story this way. Associating certain instruments with Númenor, and stopping to use them after it gets destroyed is attention to detail, no matter if you connect this score to LotR's or not. I'm sure you would've loved this reasoning if Shore had used it (who by the way can be accused of the same for giving Gandalf and Legolas themes in the Hobbit that then never appear in LotR).
  12. I for one think the Númenor stuff is one of the highlights. Though I don't expect (or intend) to change anyone's mind, I do think this clip is pretty illuminating on McCreary's perspective. The entire point is that the Númenor material isn't supposed to survive into the LotR trilogy score. If you think about it, it makes more sense to build upon the Elendil and Isildur theme, which does resemble the Gondor/Aragorn material a lot more.
  13. If so, then this is essential reading: http://jasonyu.me/undertale-part-1/
  14. Just in the end credits of Ep 1. I've been meaning to! To me, it always makes me think of Photoshop Flowey's theme from Undertale
  15. Keep an ear out for this motif and you'll start noticing it too
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