Faleel 5,359 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Both of these cues are great, and have an epic choir section, which one is better? vote or not, you are doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I kind of like the short version better. There is something unnatural about that extension in the film version.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I don't think I have consciously noted the difference between these versions before. I rather stopped overtly obsessing over the minutiae and just began enjoying the music after the CRs were released.But I do like the film version better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Quantity over quality - you disappoint me, Mikko. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 And I see that you like things to come to a point more quickly. I was always more a "lengthy narration and description" kind of guy myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 In Search of Lost Time must be your favorite book then. But seriously now: when the OST came out I instantly loved this bit and thought to myself "Wish it was longer". When I saw the film and heard CR I thought "Nah, that overstates the point a little bit". There's no satisfying me.The extended Emyn Muil choral segment, on the other hand...Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 In Search of Lost Time must be your favorite book then. But serioiusly: when the OST came out I instantly loved this bit and thought to myself "Wish it was longer". When I saw the film and heard CR I thought "Nah, that overstates the point a little bit". There's no satisfying me.The extended Emyn Muil choral segment, on the other hand...KarolI was intrigued when Doug Adams mentioned in the Annotated Score PDF that there had been a longer piece for the choir there and was so glad that the extended Emyn Muil choral passage was released on the Rarities disc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 The Two Towers is probably the best of trilogy when it comes to vocal writing - the most varied at least. I absolutely adore the piece heard when Theoden is crying over Theodred's grave. And the reprise of Moria sequence with the gorgeous finale. And the Dead Marshes, and Ent stuff, and the bit where they get to Helm's Deep, and Gandalf in Nature theme, and then Isengard Unleashed. I also have to mentioned the intro to Gollum's Song. And all the female solo vocals as well. Hope we get some awesome new choral stuff this December. This like a film well-suited for this.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Hope we get some awesome new choral stuff this December. This like a film well-suited for this.KarolYeah the Hobbit:AUJ was a bit thin on the vocal writing with no soloists (apart from a few moments) but I guess the dwarven nature of the story doesn't lend itself to much vocal work. That said I enjoyed the choral pieces in the 1st score. But let's hope indeed that they can bring back the vocal soloists and varied choral writing for DoS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Hope we get some awesome new choral stuff this December. This like a film well-suited for this. KarolYeah the Hobbit:AUJ was a bit thin on the vocal writing with no soloists (apart from a few moments) but I guess the dwarven nature of the story doesn't lend itself to much vocal work. Wasn't Moria in FELLOWSHIP represented by the male choir and "grunters"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Hope we get some awesome new choral stuff this December. This like a film well-suited for this.KarolYeah the Hobbit:AUJ was a bit thin on the vocal writing with no soloists (apart from a few moments) but I guess the dwarven nature of the story doesn't lend itself to much vocal work.Wasn't Moria in FELLOWSHIP represented by the male choir and "grunters"?I meant rather that there are e.g. no baritones or basses singing solos in the fashion of many other soloists in LotR. There are no equivalents of Elisabeth Fraser or Sheila Chandra or Elizabeth Bayrakdarian for the dwarven music. The Dwarven choral sounds are in Shore's music predominantly male. Or actually make that exclusive male. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Hope we get some awesome new choral stuff this December. This like a film well-suited for this.KarolYeah the Hobbit:AUJ was a bit thin on the vocal writing with no soloists (apart from a few moments) but I guess the dwarven nature of the story doesn't lend itself to much vocal work.Wasn't Moria in FELLOWSHIP represented by the male choir and "grunters"?I meant rather that there are e.g. no baritones or basses singing solos in the fashion of many other soloists in LotR.Would've liked that, though. Maybe a Dwarven equivalent of the sprechstimme (wailing and whispering out of sync) in the Dead Marshes cue from TTW, for the more hellish moments with Smaug. As it stands, Shore's use of the male chorus for Dwarves is a bit limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Hmm, I wonder if Jackson will at any time think to have Smaug presence feel "hellish" or will he forget and overlook it while sleeplessly concentrating on the spectacular and - hopefully - charisma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Like Incanus pointed out, I've become less concerned or attentive of such minor differences. But by and large, the CR versions are generally what I prefer, and I enjoy the extended choral part more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Why did you vote for the other version then, Dutchman?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Check again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 If this is no lack of integrity, I don't know what is!You're all wrong, by the way.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Tell us what is right then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 What my heart tells me.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Why the direct comparison. They only partially cover the same scenes I believe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 We're discussing the choral bit here:To be quite honest they are almost identical, but the CR/film version sounds almost looped. Not editorially but it seems Shore extended it a bit to match film changes (I think). Or abbreviated the long version to make to make it tighter. Whatever.0:13: 2:25: For me the OST version says it all and more gracefully. Not sure why people vote for the other version.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 The other version exists in a cue that overall simply flows much better than the OST cue. That lasting impression dictates final judgement for me when it comes to such a trivial, almost pointless comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Who prefers the OST version of the scene that introduces Shadowfax over the film version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Do you?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 I do, or I seem to remember doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Wasn't there a poll on that one as well some time ago?And I do prefer the film version of that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 The OST version is completely serviceable I'm sure. But the film version is so much grander. It really conveys the majesty of the King of Horses brilliantly. Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 The OST version is completely serviceable I'm sure. But the film version is so much grander. It really conveys the majesty of the King of Horses brilliantly.Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 The film version is better, of course. But the album track as a whole kicks ass.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted August 8, 2013 Author Share Posted August 8, 2013 OMG, I totally messed this one up! I meant Gandalf The White, as in the CR cue (but the version with the choir from the Fan Credits), vs the Court of Meduseld! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Moron! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted August 8, 2013 Author Share Posted August 8, 2013 Hmm... lacks the punch of ''Idiot!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Ass! Fool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted August 9, 2013 Author Share Posted August 9, 2013 Don't go all ecclesiastical on me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 Fool of a Took! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 My feverish battle was all for nothing. Yet again.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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