A24 4,339 Posted January 23, 2004 Author Share Posted January 23, 2004 Verhoeven seemly manages to tickle people's fantasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 ...and cringe their stomachs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 Instead of letting you enjoy killing as being exciting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 I'd rather have tasteful killing be exciting. Face it, Verhoeven likes painting with smut and violence, not fantastic storytelling and quality direction like many other good directors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 I'd rather have tasteful killing be exciting. Umm, why? Killing is tasteful?Face it, Verhoeven likes painting with smut and violence, not fantastic storytelling and quality direction like many other good directors. Verhoeven likes satire, some harmless fun smut and to not dumb down violence like many who try to make violence acceptable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 Umm, why? Killing is tasteful?Sure, why not?Verhoeven likes satireWho are you? The copout police?some harmless fun smutPedophiles like "harmless" fun smut, too.and to not dumb down violence like many who try to make violence acceptable!It's kind of hard to dumb something down that's dumb already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 Sure, why not? Killing can't be tasteful, it's horrible and wrong, and it's not good to hide that.Pedophiles like "harmless" fun smut, too.Yeah but it's not harmless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peio 0 Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 Verhoeven is one of the most sincere directors of our time. He doesn't hide anything to the audience, and he always goes beyond that (like the progressive battles in Starship Troopers or the intrinsic evil in The Hollow Man), being carnal, intense, honestly/openly. His style is a problem for the puritanism in Hollywood, so most of his films have been censored.As he says, "I admit my movies can be misogyinist or violent, but they are not a personal opinion, but a situation patent in our society". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 He doesn't hide anything to the audienceNothing except the movie they paid to see.His style is a problem for the puritanism in Hollywood, so most of his films have been .It's a problem for traditional filmmaking, too. Satire is not a good excuse for making crappy movies. As he says, "I admit my movies can be misogyinist or violent, but they are not a personal opinion, but a situation patent in our society".That's a silly thing to say. Of course his movies are a personal opinion. It's his opinion to focus on the violence, rather than other "situations patent in our society". He's got an extremely narrow worldview if all he sees are sex and violence. I won't deny people have sex and violence does not occur anywhere in the world, but I do think that those issues should be handled carefully and responsibly. But what do I know? Maybe Verhoeven blaming violence on society instead of his films is just a copout that he dressed up with some liberal, evasive rhetoric? Sounds more than plausible to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 It's a problem for traditional filmmaking, too. Satire is not a good excuse for making crappy movies.Satires makes good movies, why do you think it's an excuse???? HELLO? That's a silly thing to say. Of course his movies are a personal opinion. It's his opinion to focus on the violence, rather than other "situations patent in our society". He's got an extremely narrow worldview if all he sees are sex and violence.I think what he's saying is that he's commenting on what's wrong with society and satiring it. Also probably for commericial reasons, in terms of the biggest movies use it, and he's sort of forced into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 A movie could succeed as a great satire, but it's still got to live up to being a great movie, too. Verhoeven's films don't seem to own up to the movie-half of the deal, no matter how much they get the satire down pat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 Well that's just your subjective opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 Verhoeven's a so-so director, but it's fun to se his films Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,339 Posted January 24, 2004 Author Share Posted January 24, 2004 I think Peio is closest to the truth. Compared to Emmerich, Verhoeven is an absolute genius. Verhoeven's films have more personality. I wish Emmerich would learn from Verhoeven so we no longer have to endure the brainless crap he's serving us.I truly believe Verhoeven is obsessed with violence and sex. That could be problematic in certain parts of the world. Sex and violence do work! Why? Many people are interested or like Paul, obsessed with it. I like Paul for being honest and for not trying to hide anything. Paul has developed his own style. How many directors in today's cinema can you attribute the same quality?----------------Alex Cremers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 Well, I can attribute it to quite a few. Most of them are in the porno industry, however. But I will say that Verhoeven's more capable of making a legitimate "movie" than they are. However, in my mind, that still doesn't put him on the same playing field as guys like Spielberg or Donner or Wilder or even Jean-Jacques Annaud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue_Leader 2 Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 Ahhhh Showgirls' the true cinematic delight of Verhoeven's career. Gotta love that one! Only a few times in my life I've laughed that hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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