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No one's even scratched the surface. Trust me.
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Shot this about a year ago, and I don't honestly remember much! I only really spoke about the the music, not the prequels themselves. I think I showed some *very* basic connections between themes at the piano ... nothing too heady since it's a more general audience thing, not a music documentary. They shot for a few hours, but I don't know what they'll use. Haven't seen a frame of it yet, but I wish them all the best. Director and crew were nice guys. Very genuine about their enthusiasm, I thought.
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Will we ever get Hobbit Complete Recordings?
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Yes or No: The Shire Theme is based on This Is My Father's World
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Fellowship of the Ring Live To Projection in Toronto - Dec 1-3 2016
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If not poles, hopefully at least your ebook readers ... Been engraving crusty old music examples like a maniac this summer. Hoping we'll have a locked realease date shortly. -
Fellowship of the Ring Live To Projection in Toronto - Dec 1-3 2016
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Howard Shore's An Unexpected Journey (Hobbit Part 1)
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It's the click track bleeding over from headphones. Often happens during delicate passages in recording sessions. Check out the first cue in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade sometime. D- 4,548 replies
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The Hobbit: Four Movements for Symphony Orchestra by Howard Shore
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This is "The Hobbit: Four Movements for Symphony Orchestra," as the tweets and links indicated. This is not "The Hobbit Symphony." Sorry. D -
Howard Shore's The Battle of the Five Armies (Hobbit Part 3)
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20-year-old tawny.- 7,435 replies
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Howard Shore's The Battle of the Five Armies (Hobbit Part 3)
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Right now, I don't have an official say in future CD releases. Such things would need to be initiated by Shore's office, and then cleared by WB before I'd be involved. So while I can make suggestions and do a bit of pestering (which I do), right now I'm as much a slave to the process as anyone else.- 7,435 replies
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In that case, be forewarned: such future discussions would primarily cover the composer’s canonical version of the music. (In this case, generally determined to be the first fully orchestrated version.) Filmmaker revisions, unrealized concepts, etc. would not be discussed. As with Rings, focus would be on the musical content, not on behind-the-scenes politics. More than enough to discuss above-the-board, I promise you! … But then, that’s why there’s Twitter, blogs, etc. D- 7,435 replies
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He did not as far as I'm aware.- 7,435 replies
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Sure, but... What he originally wrote in his first sketch? The first orchestrated sheets? The first recording, with podium changes?For example, in DOS, for the scene where Thorin is pleading to The Master, there's a scene where Bilbo steps forward and stands up for him. Shore scored it with The Shire Theme. The scene ended up being removed from the Theatrical Cut, so that Shire Theme bit was never recorded. But then PJ decided to put the scene back into the Extended Edition. Sadly, that Shire theme variation wasn't recorded for the EE (since there was so separate EE recordings). So anyway, would a hypothetical book even mention that Shore intended that scene - which we all see every time we watch the EE, the theoretical "definitive" version of the film - to be scored by The Shire Theme? Or gloss over it because it was never recorded? Early sketches were sometimes written to rough footage, or even away from picture. Podium changes were often made to accommodate last-minute changes. Early orchestrated version are almost invariably the best to look at. These show Shore's initial intentions and colors as they relate to the final scene's structure, but before filmmaker revisions. In the scene you're mentioning, Shore largely approached it from the EE edit. The Shire snippet was only ever a part of the early sketch--it was not a part of the orchestrated composition. That means Shore decided to remove the theme before the sessions were held. Returning that theme to the scene was a filmmaker decision, not a composer decision, so it wouldn't be discussed. And you know ... if I ever really got in a jam, I could always just text Howard and ask him. That helps too. The theme wasn't returned to the scene ; it plays with no score in the EE. The bit was never recorded. Sorry, speaking of filmmaker decisions in general, not pertaining to this scene. And yes, as I said, it was never orchestrated, never taken to the stage, and never recored.- 7,435 replies
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In 14 years I'll be 38. I hope it doesn't take that long. I already feel old. Life begins at 40!- 7,435 replies
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Cheers, guys. The thing to remember about all of this is that, as a story, The Hobbit is not going out of style. It's been relevant for decades, and will continue to be so for the foreseeable future. There will probably always be interest in this music and in this composer. It's not like we have a tiny window in which the scores need to be released before they're lost to the ages. I know we're all impatient when it comes to our favorite stuff, but hang in there ... we're playing the long game on this one. In the meantime, I'll continue to push ...- 7,435 replies
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Yes, the Thorin quote at the end of "Moon Runes" was intended for that spot. Now that the EE has been seen, I was just wondering if you might tell us what you were referring to here, since it seems as though you were alluding to more than just the (apparently quite brief) funeral composition. The funeral piece is longer than what appears in the film. A gorgeous summation of nearly all the principal Dwarf material. That's the main attraction--but there's also some great material for the chariot, the "whirly-gigs," etc. Some made the album, but not all. Is there any chance of us hearing the full funeral cue any time soon? Nothing currently in the works, but there is always hope.- 7,435 replies
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Yes, the Thorin quote at the end of "Moon Runes" was intended for that spot. Now that the EE has been seen, I was just wondering if you might tell us what you were referring to here, since it seems as though you were alluding to more than just the (apparently quite brief) funeral composition. The funeral piece is longer than what appears in the film. A gorgeous summation of nearly all the principal Dwarf material. That's the main attraction--but there's also some great material for the chariot, the "whirly-gigs," etc. Some made the album, but not all.- 7,435 replies
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It from the scene in AUJ where the Company approaches the farmhouse--before Gandalf and Thorin argue.- 7,435 replies
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Sure, but... What he originally wrote in his first sketch? The first orchestrated sheets? The first recording, with podium changes? For example, in DOS, for the scene where Thorin is pleading to The Master, there's a scene where Bilbo steps forward and stands up for him. Shore scored it with The Shire Theme. The scene ended up being removed from the Theatrical Cut, so that Shire Theme bit was never recorded. But then PJ decided to put the scene back into the Extended Edition. Sadly, that Shire theme variation wasn't recorded for the EE (since there was so separate EE recordings). So anyway, would a hypothetical book even mention that Shore intended that scene - which we all see every time we watch the EE, the theoretical "definitive" version of the film - to be scored by The Shire Theme? Or gloss over it because it was never recorded? Early sketches were sometimes written to rough footage, or even away from picture. Podium changes were often made to accommodate last-minute changes. Early orchestrated version are almost invariably the best to look at. These show Shore's initial intentions and colors as they relate to the final scene's structure, but before filmmaker revisions. In the scene you're mentioning, Shore largely approached it from the EE edit. The Shire snippet was only ever a part of the early sketch--it was not a part of the orchestrated composition. That means Shore decided to remove the theme before the sessions were held. Returning that theme to the scene was a filmmaker decision, not a composer decision, so it wouldn't be discussed. And you know ... if I ever really got in a jam, I could always just text Howard and ask him. That helps too.- 7,435 replies
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If there were to be a book, I imagine it would only deal with the score as Shore originally intended it. If there were to be a book. And timestamps are for the weak!- 7,435 replies
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We've discussed multiple times the extra recording sessions that happened for BOFA. How did you miss it? We discussed that Shore was involved in the project this year, after Doug told us here, but I don't think we saw that tweet. Some downplayed the news as likely nothing significant. Do we know if the NZSO were involved (I would presume not under Pope's baton)? The NZSO was not involved. Neither was Conrad.
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TTT unknown choir section in end credits suite
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Shore generally (though not always) has full sections divide to add more pitches. In other words, bar one would have tutti violins divided four ways. Bar two would have tutti violins divided six ways. Bar three would have tutti violins divided eight ways. So he's not adding players, he's adding pitch material. The dynamics are more controllable this way since the number of players is consistent and the shaping is less given to chance. Again, this isn't *always* how it's handled, but more often than not, it is. -
TTT unknown choir section in end credits suite
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Never let it be said that we don't listen to the fans! -
TTT unknown choir section in end credits suite
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That's correct. It never made it to the Rarities Archive as there would have been too much duplication of the surrounding material - it's around thirty seconds in a six minute composition. Yep! -
The music got a great big wet smooch in the DOS documentaries. Howard is a humble fellow, and is more than happy to share the spotlight this time around. We know some kind of super 6-film box set is in the works, so that will probably be the final say on all things Jackson Middle-earth. I hear they're saving a ten-hour documentary on the score especially for it. The documentary consists of a video of Doug Adams in a nice armchair reading out loud both of his books on the music of the LotR and the Hobbit. I can write that stuff, but no one can say it ... #HarrisonFord