Jay 37,368 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 I am finally going to make my complete edits of the scores, and I want to maintain the highest quality possible. I decided to master everything in 24bit/48khz since that is the bitrate of the Complete Recordings DVDs as well as the Blu Ray audio tracks. Obviously any additional pieces such as the Rarities Archive and video game material will be lower bitrate, but I was wondering about the OST programs. I did a quick search on these sites and didn't see them up for sale in better quality than the redbook CDs. http://www.hdtracks.com/ https://www.7digital.com/ http://store.acousticsounds.com/ https://www.highresaudio.com/ http://www.prostudiomasters.com/ Anybody know of a site that might be selling them in high def now, or might have in the past? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Pretty sure the OSTs never made it out in high res. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted August 20, 2016 Author Share Posted August 20, 2016 Yea, seems to be the case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Does it matter where they were sold? Or just that they were sold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted August 20, 2016 Author Share Posted August 20, 2016 57 minutes ago, WojinPA said: Does it matter where they were sold? Or just that they were sold? I think you meant to underline where in your first sentence... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 There are no high-definition releases of the OSTs. On the subject of resolution, 24/48 is the original session resolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 1 hour ago, Jay said: I think you meant to underline where in your first sentence... That would have confused you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted August 20, 2016 Author Share Posted August 20, 2016 12 hours ago, Jim Ware said: There are no high-definition releases of the OSTs. OK! 12 hours ago, Jim Ware said: On the subject of resolution, 24/48 is the original session resolution. I know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Amazing that the OSTs haven't been released on vinyl yet. All the rage at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 29 minutes ago, Bilbo Skywalker said: Amazing that the OSTs haven't been released on vinyl yet. All the rage at the moment. Or cassette, like Shore's Spotlight. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 16 minutes ago, Jim Ware said: Or cassette, like Shore's Spotlight. cassettes are a much smaller market (I got TFA on cassette!) but you can get vinyl soundtracks in any record shop. A Nee Hope has been reissued on standard vinyl, gold vinyl, and picture disc in the last few months. That's overkill but I wouldn't mind picking up the three LotRs scores on LP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 3 hours ago, BloodBoal said: I am the knight who says "Nee!" That Stormtrooper on the far left (standing up) looks like he's just about ready to give up on life. The one behind Vader is definitely trying to make that blaster look heavier than it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Aren't the DVD-As also in hi-resolution stereo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 1 hour ago, Richard said: Aren't the DVD-As also in hi-resolution stereo? Yes - 24/48 stereo and 24/48 5.1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 In 5.1, wouldn't they be 24/96? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted September 16, 2016 Author Share Posted September 16, 2016 That question is illogical. How does the number of channels have anything to do with the bitrate used per channel? Also, the score was recorded in 24/48, Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelly 261 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 57 minutes ago, Richard said: In 5.1, wouldn't they be 24/96? No. The standard sample rate for DVD and BD is 48kHZ, and there's little reason for that to ever change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 You are confusing DVD and DVD-A i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Steef is right. I have at least one DVD-A in 24/96. 4 hours ago, Jay said: That question is illogical. How does the number of channels have anything to do with the bitrate used per channel? Also, the score was recorded in 24/48, Richard. You are quite, Jay; the number of channels is irrelevant. If the score is in 24/48, it's in 24/48. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelly 261 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Those DVDs aren't anything special anyway. They're essentially upmixed from the stereo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 38 minutes ago, Skelly said: Those DVDs aren't anything special anyway. They're essentially upmixed from the stereo. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelly 261 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 4 minutes ago, Stefancos said: What? I obtained some DVD 5.1 tracks for Fellowship through... er, questionable means, and nothing is discrete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about? DVD or DVD-A? Discrete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelly 261 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 When designing a 5.1 track, sound mixers are very conscientious in saying, "this sound goes in the center channel... this one goes in the right-front... this one will pan from the fronts to the rears..." etc. That didn't happen, apparently, with the LotR CR DVDs. It's like they took the stereo track and "blew it up" to 5.1. If I remember correctly an exception was the Hobbit party Plan 9 track, but the Shore tracks didn't have much separation in the sound elements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 You arent correct. When it comes to high res multichannel audio formats like DVD-A or SACD the rear channels tend to be used differently then on the soundtrack of a film. They are reserved for acoustics and ambience rather then actual instruments. If you go to the concert hall you don't hear the violins coming from behind you, now do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelly 261 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Then why is the score more "split", so to speak, in the actual film's surround audio? It wasn't just the instruments... in the DVD-A tracks where Gandalf or Bilbo were humming, for instance, there was bleeding into the fronts and rears. It sounded less deliberately placed and more accidental/unavoidable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Like I said. Multi channel audio for music releases is mixed differently then it is in films. It's apples versus oranges really. The aim for a music release is to sound as authentic as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelly 261 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 I don't have a surround system so I couldn't speak to the effectiveness of one vs. the other. But I still wonder if it's less of a stylistic choice, in the case of LotR, and more of a rush job. I wish I still had the files so I could listen from that perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 So you have an opinion on something, but you dont actually have the disc you are criticizing, or the capability to listen to multichannel audio? Interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelly 261 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Yep! I'm just basing what I'm saying off of listening to the channels separately. Make of that what you will... All I'm saying is that I could run the stereo audio through some cheap Chinese program and probably get the same result as what's on those DVD-As. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 *shakes head* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Why would you want an orchestral recording to bounce around the room? In a concert environment the orchestra is in front of you; multichannel orchestral recordings typically reserve the surround channels for reverb. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 To feel like he's inside the orchestra, surrounded by musicians? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelly 261 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 I'm not expecting flutes to fly up in the surrounds alone or anything like that, I was just not expecting the mix to sound so matrixed. But maybe I should shut my big mouth now, since I don't even know what it sounds like when played back properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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