Ludwig 1,179 Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 Here is part 3 of my Star Wars theme analyses, this one on the Emperor's theme:http://www.filmmusicnotes.com/celebrating-star-wars-themes-part-3-of-6-the-emperors-theme/Enjoy! Incanus and Cerebral Cortex 2
Director of Poltergeist 8,204 Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 My favorite rendition outside of "The Emperor" (AKA "The Emperor's Death") is in Revenge of the Sith, the end of "Be Careful of Your Friend" (begins around 40 seconds).
Incanus 5,858 Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 The Emperor's theme seems to symbolize the Dark Side (and the Sith as you say) as much as The Force Theme is the musical flipside of the coin. While there seems to be a bit of an overemphasis on it in TPM, broadcasting the villain to the knowledgeable fans from the start, Williams gets a lot of subtle references in during AotC and RotS which are nice foreshadowing before its full revelation.Interestingly the rendition in Anakin's confession scene in AotC is tracked from the finale where Dooku meets Sidious on Corucscant. I think the original used only Anakin's own motif for his fall to the dark side (the 3rd section of Across the Stars) and the Imperial March. I think the Emperor's theme would be have been a rather good insertion for a larger subtext but I guess JW didn't have time to rewrite the cue.
Little Ghost 7,936 Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 My favorite rendition outside of "The Emperor" (AKA "The Emperor's Death") is in Revenge of the Sith, the end of "Be Careful of Your Friend" (begins around 40 seconds).I did not hear it.
Incanus 5,858 Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 But isn't the Emperor's theme the one theme from which everything else in JWs canon is derived from? Gnome in Plaid 1
Wojo 2,458 Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 Augie used the theme first, it's his. This Emperor guy simply stole it.
Incanus 5,858 Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 Augie used the theme first, it's his. This Emperor guy simply stole it.I wonder who this mysterious Augie is and what does he do.
BloodBoal 7,544 Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 Augie was banned from this forum long ago.
Luke Skywalker 2,219 Posted November 24, 2015 Posted November 24, 2015 Augie used the theme first, it's his. This Emperor guy simply stole it.I wonder who this mysterious Augie is and what does he do.At your service:http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Augara_Jowil
Incanus 5,858 Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 That's just something written after the fact to explain the name. I want to hear Williams' own explanation!
mandel 3 Posted November 27, 2015 Posted November 27, 2015 The link at JWFAN is wrong, it goes to the Darth Vader's.
Incanus 5,858 Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 Interestingly and a bit frustratingly Williams later seems to forget that Emperor's theme has a B-section as well and throughout the Prequels only the A-part of the theme is used, often just repeated back to back if the scene length required it.
crumbs 15,533 Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 Well the Emperor didn't really exist until the third film, so keeping only a fragment of the theme throughout the prequels makes sense to me.
Incanus 5,858 Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 Well the Emperor didn't really exist until the third film, so keeping only a fragment of the theme throughout the prequels makes sense to me.Using it from the onset to broadcast who Sidious was, is a bit obvious in TPM as well though. Some renditions of the repeated A-section just feel a bit lazy to me, when there is a perfectly good end to the melody. This also happens in RotS when the Emperor has been revealed, e.g. in the scene where he transports wounded Anakin to Coruscant.
crumbs 15,533 Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 It's lucky he remembered the theme at all.After all, he forget any love themes existed in the OT.
Incanus 5,858 Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 It's lucky he remembered the theme at all.After all, he forget any love themes existed in the OT.Yeah we should be glad for small mercies.
crumbs 15,533 Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 It's a miracle he didn't accidentally use Theme from Jurassic Park instead of the Force Theme,
BloodBoal 7,544 Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 People love to make lists of themes that may return in TFA, when really, what they should do is a list of themes Williams may have remembered. crumbs 1
crumbs 15,533 Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 He didn't have to remember Main Titles because they're likely re-using the Phantom Menace recording for the fourth time. T'was so much easier than re-recording it with those unversatile Los Angeleans.
Ludwig 1,179 Posted December 1, 2015 Author Posted December 1, 2015 Interestingly and a bit frustratingly Williams later seems to forget that Emperor's theme has a B-section as well and throughout the Prequels only the A-part of the theme is used, often just repeated back to back if the scene length required it.I never heard a B section to this theme. Do you mean the section between 1:39-2:22 below?Besides, ROTJ uses repetitions of the A section in a number of places as well. I don't know if this is your beef with it, but when I hear it in TPM, it seems a tad overused. I can't really say why I should feel that way when Vader's theme is ten times more pervasive in TESB and I don't feel it's overused there. Strange.
Incanus 5,858 Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 What I actually meant is the second phrase of the theme itself which JW uses very rarely if at all in the Prequels, resorting to repeat the first one. The second phrase comes to a natural end which it never achieves in the Prequels. The passage I am talking about is the answering phrase to the initial one and can be heard clearly in 2:41-2:59 of the video you posted. Of course there are times when the scene length stops Williams from using the whole melody and it frustrating cuts away just before reaching the end of the second phrase. I don't whether it is intentional or was it always the scenes themselves but it is prevalent throughout the new trilogy.This is not a major gripe but an observation on how the theme is used in the Prequels. As crumbs says above the way it feels open ended or unfinished actually ties to the musical dramaturgy of the whole story quite nicely.
Ludwig 1,179 Posted December 1, 2015 Author Posted December 1, 2015 Oh, the second phrase. Ok, that I can see. I thought you were talking about a separate B section like in Luke's theme. Terminology, terminology...
Incanus 5,858 Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 Yes it can both clarify and complicate if people do not speak with the same terminology. Luckily we were not too far off.
skyy38 21 Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 I always thought that THE EMPERORS THEME was too "wordy" so I simplified it.https://soundcloud.com/skyy38/emperors-theme-2Also, even though THE IMPERIAL MARCH sounds "minor", it is actually written in the major mode.
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