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  1. Nick1Ø66
    How many years in the making was the Jurassic Park thread?
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    OK, I was pissed until the Sean Astin thing. You're crap for not liking LOTR, but you're alright in my book.
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    I don't want to be in a battle. But waiting on the edge of one I can't escape is even worse.
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    What would the answer to that question tell you, even if it were answerable?
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    Mmmm . . . on the other hand, I'd stop short of this sort of extreme on the opposite end of things (since you don't want to undermine your own argument). Shore's Rings cycle is hardly "universally regarded as a masterpiece." There are way too many people in the universe who would take exception to that categorization—several of whom frequent this board. - Uni Well, I'm not sure I'm making an argument...he's entitled to his opinion, whatever it is. I don't really care whether he likes the score or not. Arguing over taste in art is a pretty fruitless exercise. But if you are going to have a go at something like this, I do think you should be prepared to back it up cogently, and not casually attack Shore's talent without any specifics to support what you're saying. That's my problem with what he's doing. Yeah, perhaps "universally" is too strong a word, I don't mean to imply everyone regards it as such. I'm sure there are people who don't regard the scores Star Wars, or ET, or Jaws as a "masterpiece" either. But I do think what LOTR shares with those scores is generally very high regard and wide spread acclaim, both among serious film score aficionados and casual fans. And in that case, I think if you're going to offer serious criticism of something like that, your criticism should be serious.
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    What you fail to understand is, you're the one coming on here criticizing something that's universally regarded as a masterpiece. The burden is on you to tell us why. No one here has to convince you of anything...nor are they trying to. You're the one offering up the criticism, you're the one who has the burden to back it up. This is not an argument. And I'm not sure if you realize it, but claiming that you "love" the score as if it's some kind of pop song and then dismissing it is only undermining your argument, rather than adding credibility to it.
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    As someone who has read these books more times than I can count, and had an abiding love for Tolkien long before Peter Jackson's films, I can tell you that you're pretty much flat out wrong on this. I actually think the score is so specific, and spot on that it could almost work as a soundtrack for the books as well. Of course, you're entitled to your opinion and free to think whatever you wish of Shore's masterpiece, but your comments are either so vague as so have no meaning read one way, or make no sense whatsoever read another. An frankly, the more highly regarded the work you're criticizing, the greater the burden on you to be specific as to what's wrong with it. I doubt anyone would question it if you came on here lobbing grenades at some throw-away Zimmer score. But if you're going to have a go at something that's pretty universally loved and respected, you're going to have to do better than this. Again, you're entitled to your opinion, but no one is going to respect it if you can't articulate why you feel like you do...particularly with regard to score like this. At minimum, you should provide more specifics...words like "brush strokes" and "hands off" mean nothing without context, and it's a lazy way to critique something. And you throw a few personal jabs in at Shore's talent to boot. If you're going to do stuff like that, you should be able to back it up. Otherwise, better to say nothing. If you're going to criticize what is pretty universally regarded as one of the greatest achievements in motion picture scoring of all time, you really need to find a way to express yourself better...and practice a bit more on being specific and less general yourself before you criticize that in Shore. PS. No one is trying to "convince" you of anything. It's you who are not convincing us.
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    Interesting. But I can't help to think that if this post was written in crayon, you'd think a five year old wrote it......
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    Wouldn't a more appropriate comparison be Father Ted vs. Vicar of Dibley? In any case, Black Adder beats them all seven days a week and twice on sunday.
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    Hmmmm. If the point of that clip is supposed to be that the scene sucks w/o William's music, I'm actually not that sure it accomplishes what it wants to. I think the scene without music has a kind of atmospheric coolness about it...I love all the ambient noises going on there...the soft hum of the ship, the owl, the quiet night breeze. Beautiful sound production. Not that it's better obviously, just different from the very Hollywood emotional moment the score creates. The scene clearly would not work this way, but I enjoyed watching it like this. Interesting. But off the top of my head I can think of half a dozen Williams cues (I don't know, Binary Sunset) that would have illustrated this point better.
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    E.T. is a beautiful, brilliant score, and clearly one of William's best. That much is clear. Nonetheless, I prefer The Grey Havens, if for no other reason than I feel more of an emotional connection to what's going on in ROTK than I do at the end of E.T. And I don't necessarily agree that they're covering the same exact same emotional ground. I'm also not nearly as big a fan of E.T., the movie, as I am ROTK, or any of the LOTR films, and admittedly I can't separate that from how I feel about the score in general. And while I think ROTK is the weakest of the three films, for a variety of reasons, the Grey Havens scene packs an emotional punch for me. In fact, as an adult, there are several times in the last 30 min of ROTK that I've gotten choked up, and that's never happened in my viewings of E.T. as an adult. So that obviously has an impact on how I regard the music accompanying those scenes as well. It has nothing to do with Williams vs. Shore and who did their job more effectively, they both succeed remarkably. But yeah, I prefer the Shore in this case. Sorry. PS. Yoda and the Force is the greatest piece ever Williams ever composed.
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    Well, it's in Björk's Wiki entry, that too all of five seconds to find (though interestingly the claim is unsourced).
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    Well, when we're talking about film scores, "common knowledge" is a relative term.
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    I don't necessarily have problem w/Finn or his vocal style...it's the arrangement as presented on the soundtrack, and to a lesser extent, the film, that I think kind of fails. Here's something interesting I found on the Loreena Mckennitt website:
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    I had really hoped they would have gotten Loreena McKennitt for one off The Hobbit songs, but I have a feeling they are going to go with all guys for those. Which is a pity b/c Mckennitt would be perfect for it. At one point she was supposedly in negotiations for one of the LOTR songs, but that fell through. The Neil Finn song as presented on The Hobbit soundtrack is almost unlistenable.
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    Yeah...maybe a little continuity within each leads "series" of films...but outside of that, forget it. They've made some nods to continuity (Roger Moore putting flowers on Lazenby's wife grave, for example), but have never seemed to be too canonical about it.
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    Come on, you really can't complain about continuity in a Bond film...especially with regards to continuity changes in the Bond "universe" that come from one person in the lead to another. Just doesn't work.
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    I remember reading once Leonard Roseman slamming the Bakshi LOTR film he scored. I loved that score as a kid, it was one of the first soundtrack records I bought after Star Wars. I still think the main theme theme is beautiful, and there are couple other nice moments here and there, but for the most part I find listening to now it a jarring experience and parts of it keep reminding me of Star Trek IV. Which is ironic because the first time I saw Fellowship of the Ring I remember wanting hear Roseman's themes. That lasted about 5 minutes.
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    Oh nice. Everyone lives happily ever after. And what is Bishop doing, passing out corn bread? I haven't heard of a crucial character getting so dissed since Chewy got robbed of a medal.
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    The same could be said for the Alien franchise. Except Jaws & JP actually only have one movie in existence each.
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    Nick1Ø66 replied to BloodBoal's topic in Tolkien Central

    Indeed.
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    Die Another Day is by far one of the worst, if not the worst, Bond film. At a minimum, it ranks up there with the worst of the Roger Moore films. Yeah, it's like the "View to a Kill" of the Brosnan era. You're coming dangerously close to ruining the respect I've gained for your taste in cinema during the short time I've been here. The Moore films are fantastically underrated. The Spy Who Loved Me, For Yours Eyes Only, and Octopussy are very very entertaining films. I will give you a View to a Kill, but even the lesser Moore Bonds, Man with the Golden Gun, and Live and Let Die are very watchable, and Moonraker is wonderfully bad, and yet beautiful shot, and vastly entertaining. And that score... I'm not knocking the Moore films, Spy Who Loved Me is my favourite Bond film, and I think For Your Eyes Only is pretty damn good itself. And I agree with you about Moonraker...it's a bit of a guilty pleasure of mine. And the score, yeah, it's gorgeous. I don't like Octopussy as much as I remember, and the other one's you mentioned I don't think much of. As an aside, I wasn't a big fan of the first two Craig Bond's, but I thought Skyfall was exceptional. My first DVD was Braveheart. The first time I can remember being blown away by DVD video and sound quality was when I bought Band of Brothers...the D-Day scene was a revelation for me in terms of home theatre potential.
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    Die Another Day is by far one of the worst, if not the worst, Bond film. At a minimum, it ranks up there with the worst of the Roger Moore films. Yeah, it's like the "View to a Kill" of the Brosnan era. You're coming dangerously close to ruining the respect I've gained for your taste in cinema during the short time I've been here.
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    Only if it had a really cool cover!
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    And the inverse is true as well, a really cool cover can make up for a lousy film.
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