A24 4,345 Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 With the beautiful scores of Richard Robbins ... Alex Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 I deeply love both films. Too bad they'll probably only play in London, New York, and LA or something stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted June 16, 2017 Author Share Posted June 16, 2017 The restored Howards End is now playing in Belgium. Howards End is easily my favorite Ivory/Merchant film but Maurice is my favorite Robbins score. I guess it won't take too long before The Remains Of The Day gets the same treatment. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Bully for Belgians! No repertory films like this ever comes anywhere near me. It's fine really, as long they're both released on bluray. I have the old Criterion BR of Howards End already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,518 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 THE REMAINS OF THE DAY is one of my favourite films, period. I hope it gets a similar treatment. TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Hope it will look good despite being shot on inferior film stock. Maybe they can perk the quality up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted June 19, 2017 Author Share Posted June 19, 2017 Ivory/Merchant shot on cheap stock to save money. From what I read, some actors never received any money either. The restorations look good though. Some of their movies are great, others are very so-so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 4 hours ago, Thor said: THE REMAINS OF THE DAY is one of my favourite films, period. I hope it gets a similar treatment. Same here. It is by every measure a most remarkable film. Absolutely brilliant score too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted June 19, 2017 Author Share Posted June 19, 2017 Apparently, The Remains Of The Day is already remastered in 4K. Lots of grain though ... Not sure if it's truly restored. Still looks good. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Well if the grain was present in the original film stock there's not much you can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,518 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Whatever stock they used, REMAINS remains one the most stunningly beautiful films I know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 The restored 4K Howard's End will be playing in my local arthouse cinema next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted June 19, 2017 Author Share Posted June 19, 2017 Go see it! It's their masterpiece! Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 I still need to see so many of their pre-Room with a View movies. I know the reputations of those films is spotty, but I'm sure there are at least a few gems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: Go see it! It's their masterpiece! I will! A24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted June 19, 2017 Author Share Posted June 19, 2017 14 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I still need to see so many of their pre-Room with a View movies. I know the reputations of those films is spotty, but I'm sure there are at least a few gems. The early ones that I've seen were kinda mediocre. They really upped their game with movies such as Maurice and Room With A View. Peaked with Howards End and Remains, then went downhill again ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 I saw the one with Christopher Reeve on TV many years ago and thought it was excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 The Bostonians? That and The Europeans (Merchant Ivory's two Henry James adaptations) are at the top of my list to see. This is the only video I can find online of The Europeans. Looks good! The Europeans from Merchant Ivory on Vimeo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,838 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Remains of the Day is already 4k restored and has a marvellous TT bluray (and other European ones). These new restorations are done by Cohen working with Ivory himself. here's the films Cohen aquired: http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=17743 By the way, beware if you buy the Cohen Howards End, because it had the wrong aspect ratio, cropping from top and bottom. There is a replacement disc, but in this one, although they corrected the aspect ratio they messed up with the gamma of the film. I'm waiting for the BFI disc in UK of this new restoration to see if it has addressed all these problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, filmmusic said: By the way, beware if you buy the Cohen Howards End, because it had the wrong aspect ration, cropping from top adn bottom. There is a replacement disc, but in the one, although they corrected the aspect ratio they messed up with the gamma of the film. Whoa, thanks for the warning! I was all set to buy the bluray next payday. filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Wait! So they might show the wrong aspect ratio in my local? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,838 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Stefancos said: Wait! So they might show the wrong aspect ratio in my local? well, if they play the original Cohen Bluray, yes! here's a comparison with the older Criterion to see the difference: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/192541/picture:3 But don't they show film prints at cinemas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Prints? What? Cinema is digital now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,838 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Prints? What? Cinema is digital now. well i thought in events or something of old films, they show the print of the film. So, yes, I assume you will either see the film in wrong aspect ratio or wrong gamma. here's the gamma difference: 1st bluray with wrong aspect ratio: replacement with correct aspect ratio and wrong gamma: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Almost all movie theaters went digital over a decade ago. Regardless of the age of the movie. 5 minutes ago, filmmusic said: B 1st bluray with wrong aspect ratio: replacement with correct aspect ratio and wrong gamma: I see no difference in aspect ratio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 I got to see an actual original film print of It's a Wonderful Life at the AFI theater near Washington, DC, and it was like a religious experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted June 19, 2017 Author Share Posted June 19, 2017 Details: A presentation of the Cohen Film Collection LLC. 'Howards End' has been digitally restored from the original camera negative held at the archive of the George Eastman Museum, completed in 4K by Cineric Portugal – Simon Lund. Colour grading under the supervision of cinematographer Tony Pierce-Roberts and director James Ivory, by Steve Bearman, Mark Bonnici and Graham Jones at Deluxe Restoration in London. 5.1 audio track restoration by John Polito at Audio Mechanics in Burbank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,838 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, Stefancos said: I see no difference in aspect ratio? It seems my post doesn't show the 2nd picture. Anyway, here it is: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/213162 but you can see better the difference in this shot (comparing the initial Cohen Bluray with the older Criterion) which I posted earlier http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/192541/picture:3 Also I think the Cohen has a hideous encoding (it doesn't resemble at all the great Room with a View by Criterion or TT's Remains of the Day). One more reason to wait for the BFI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 5 hours ago, Alexcremers said: Apparently, The Remains Of The Day is already remastered in 4K. Lots of grain though ... Not sure if it's truly restored. Still looks good. Geez, Louise, but that's gorgeous!!!!! The framing superb, the lighting spot on! Don't diss the grain, Alex. I love seeing the grain in older films. It reminds me that film is a living, breathing, physical thing. Embrace the grain! Share the grain, and gain strength from the sharing. filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,518 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 The use of green and red in REMAINS is stunning (it's also a commentary on the state of Hopkins' character, the passion of 'red' and the natural of 'green' being a contrast to the emotions behind his stern exterior -- often displayed as black/white). This is one of my favourite shots: It also has some amazing individual framings that commmunicate these ideas, like these: Trapped between two clocks, in a 'temporal vacuum' Then there's the "dream of Mrs. Kenton", first as a ghostly dissolve from the past, captured in the port hole: ...untill we see them united in the same frame: The film is full of these things. I wrote an article about it a couple of years ago, but as usual, it's in Norwegian: http://montages.no/2012/11/the-remains-of-the-day-1993/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,838 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Have you seen the deleted scenes? There is a specific scene where Hopkins breaks down and cries. It's quite powerful and from what i remember listening to the commentary I think, Hopkins didn't like that it was cut. I remember when I first saw the film in my teens I was like: "why the hell don't they express their feelings"? As a mediterranean people that we're most extrovert and expressive of our feelings this "british" way seemed very strange to me! Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,518 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, filmmusic said: Have you seen the deleted scenes? There is a specific scene where Hopkins breaks down and cries. It's quite powerful and from what i remember listening to the commentary I think, Hopkins didn't like that it was cut, I haven't seen those, no. I can understand Hopkins, but much of the power of the film comes from the lack of a total breakdown -- the zithering intensity of Hopkins' eye movements in the intimate moment with Mrs. Kenton. It's what's NOT on display that becomes so powerful (Hopkins is my second favourite actor, and I've always preferred this to Hannibal Lecter, believe it or not!): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,838 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 17 minutes ago, Richard said: Geez, Louise, but that's gorgeous!!!!! The framing superb, the lighting spot on! Don't diss the grain, Alex. I love seeing the grain in older films. It reminds me that film is a living, breathing, physical thing. Embrace the grain! Share the grain, and gain strength from the sharing. I'm with you on the grain thing. I'm a grain-lover!! Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 #makegraingreatagain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,518 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Grain is great! Vilmos Zsigmond, for example, was a master of creating grainy and gorgeous landscapes, partly because of pre-fogging, partly because of his eye for natural light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,838 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Just now, Thor said: I haven't seen those, no. I can understand Hopkins, but much of the power of the film comes from the lack of a total breakdown -- the zithering intensity of Hopkins' eye movements in the intimate moment with Mrs. Kenton. It's what's NOT on display that becomes so powerful: Yes, I guess that's why they cut it. It would seem totally out of place to the rest of the film. this scene was to be after Spoiler their final parting, talking to a stranger You should see it. there are many other deleted scenes too, but I remember this stood out, and made me burst into tears too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,518 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 I'm a bit hesitant to check them out, because I'm afraid to 'taint' my experience of the film and what makes it so powerful, but I'm certainly curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 8 minutes ago, filmmusic said: Have you seen the deleted scenes? There is a specific scene where Hopkins breaks down and cries. It's quite powerful and from what i remember listening to the commentary I think, Hopkins didn't like that it was cut. I remember when I first saw the film in my teens I was like: "why the hell don't they express their feelings"? As a mediterranean people that we're most extrovert and expressive of our feelings this "british" way seemed very strange to me! I hear what you're saying, Film, but TROTD is about two people who, for whatever reason, can't connect, who, for whatever reason, can't express their feelings for each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,518 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Absolutely, but I can see where filmmusic is coming from in terms of his background and culture. Curiously, for me it resonated very well even as a youngster, but then we are more closely connected to British culture than Greek culture in Norway... Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Well, we can't all be Zorba, can we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Thank goodness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted June 20, 2017 Author Share Posted June 20, 2017 8 hours ago, Richard said: Don't diss the grain, Alex. I love the shot, that's why I posted it, but the grain in the sky is a little too much. But, it's better to leave to grain where it is than to apply some kind of digital grain reducer. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 On 6/16/2017 at 10:49 AM, Alexcremers said: I guess it won't take too long before The Remains Of The Day gets the same treatment. I keep meaning to pick that one up on blu ray. Top 10 movie all-time for me. Adore it. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 It was opened in December, 1993 at the Curzon, Mayfair, in 70mm. I really wished I'd seen it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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