TheUlyssesian

It has a significant amount of new material including a new main theme and several other themes. The franchise themes do return but there's a lot of original music.

In retrospect I will say this - I think Zimmer would have likely won his third Oscar for Dune 2 - had he not previewed his main theme in Part 1.

How dare you insult me like that?

I think the main theme not being new resulting in disqualification is not new. A very famous example is The Godfather - which was favorite to win the Oscar that year. But the Academy found out that he had used the love theme in a little seen Italian film 15 years ago and rescinded his nomination - AFTER NOMINATIONS WERE ANNOUNCED. I think the rule is sound and clearly Williams met the high bar. As part of the score submission - you actually have to submit actual cue sheets I believe and indicate new and re-used material and they actually measure it. I know some other categories like International Film where the amount of English cannot exceed 49%, they actually count it. So a committee of composers is appointed and they review close cases and in this case they clearly ruled against Zimmer. Williams is very smart. Think about Dial. Even in that, I think apart from quotes of Indy's theme and some tracking, everything is original. I also wonder given his stature, the Academy might be unwilling to disqualify Williams even if he didn't meet the bar or just missed it. When I reported the news, the trades hadn't broken the news yet so there wasn't a verifiable link. But now it's been confirmed. I will be sure to use a link next time when available.

Yes, there is - the Academy. There will be FYC. I vote on some other awards and Dune 2 will campaign for Score there. It just is shut out of the big prize.

Empire Strikes Back was nominated.

Apparently, the Academy has disqualified this score for consideration at the Oscars.

I think the EEs are appallingly indulgent. I can't imagine sitting through them except as a curiosity. I have not the hand on heart reverence that people have for those films. In their own way they are quite tiresome after FOTR. I think the FOTR theatrical is the only truly artistically successful film of the trilogy, though the other two have some very good things in them. I never cared one bit for The Two Towers. And Return of the King is endless. Though my conception of cinema has evolved to be too rigorous I might say. I just fundamentally think 90% of films can be shorter and don't use their time well. If i do commend the LOTR trilogy for something, it would be extraordinary competence. It is not the a better version of the books cannot be made. It is that for a variety of reasons, it is beyond the capability of Hollywood to do so. In that narrow conception, the trilogy IS the best case adaptation of the books but that doesn't mean they are perfect. Far from it in fact. And The Hobbit adaptation? A monumental failure in ways large and small. Watchable and even entertaining, but can certainly be improved upon.

So unnecessary. Like really, a film about how Gollum ended up in Moria. The story has a feeling of then this happened, then this happened, then this happened. I wonder how they will muster up an iota of suspense or drama or drive or stakes.

Ah I see it now! Is there a way to edit it or should the thread be closed and started again? It kinda works but i am happy to do it again if needed.

Can't forget that awful snakeoil salesman critic who said the trailer music is John Williams' score.

Let us assess our feelings about Amazon's Rings Of Power show viz a viz Jackson's The Hobbit trilogy. Both of them have been accused of being unnecessary fan fiction. Interested to see how this shakes out. EDIT: "Neither" can be a cop-out, try to use Neither only when it is your true, true choice.

War of Rohirrim looks like a dumpster fire to me. I personally have zero interest in it.

I said so sometime earlier. The sad reality is that we will all be watching Season 3 and beyond because it is the only Tolkien game in town unless the two new Jackson films, the first one directed by Serkis, come to pass. They have new writers for Season 3; maybe they will learn from it. There's Bear's music to look forward to. I again want to be clear: my problems with the show are not lore-based, or rather, not only lore-based. They have to do with the writing, directing, and production quality, all of which I think are below the average standard of prestige TV today. It's like dealing with a frustrating cousin—there are some good times, but it is generally tiresome. But there is no question of abandoning. My guess - it won't reach 5 seasons. They will be instructed to wrap it up in 4 seasons. Given how thin the material is, they do not have enough for another 24 hours I think. Think about it, Gandalf has not played a role in the story at all, AT ALL, and it has taken 16 hours to just establish his identity.

Don't attribute to malice what can be attributed to competency and idiocy. They are just bad at making shows is the simplest explanation. And likely the correct one for that reason.