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Though that is literally 1 from released in 2 parts. It was written and shot as 1 film. Only in editing did they decide to release it in 2 parts.

Hymn to the Fallen is music fit for the funeral of presidents and war heroes.

https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/oscar-rule-changes-best-original-score-1235662707/ Two main new rules. Rule 1: I am calling this the SOUL rule change. If 3 composers win Best Score together - one 1 Oscar statue was awarded. So when Jon Batiste, Reznor and Ross won Oscar for Score, they were only given a single statue among the 3 of them. With this rule change, all 3 would get one. Rule 2: The shortlist used to be 15 scores. Now 20 scores will be shortlisted before the final nomination announcement.

Or maybe there was disagreement about budget and timing and Shore couldn't agree to that. Writing 8 hours of music is a HUGE undertaking. I think Shore might have demanded much more time and a bigger budget and compensation for his services. TV schedule is too pushing for a composer of Shore's stature. Also think about it - this would have been an impossible gig for Shore. Imagine hiring John Williams to write 8 hours of new Star Wars music and tell him - you can't use a note of anything you wrote previously because we don't have the rights. That's putting him in a straight jacket. Shore would have to constantly watch out for falling into old modes as is bound to happen when you are returning to the same property. I mean 8 hours of new middle earth music from Shore would have been God's gift. but I ain't about to scoff at the score Bear wrote - I think he did a great job still. And we did get a great main title from Shore.

Honestly i find myself playing it often. I think it is a tremendous piece of writing, very refined and masterful - and that in just 90 seconds.

I love Double Life of Veronique. Immense impact in the film and very memorable.

He again only and ONLY calls it the love theme - repeatedly - and does not mention House Atredies at all.

why was there dancing during that? i thought it was ridiculous.

I would be in favor of Oppenheimer having to return back all of its awards.

It's garbage. So of course it will win tons of oscars.

Thanks. Honestly, it is sufficient for me to conclude that it is a love theme for Paul and Chani. And has nothing to do with the House Atridies. I understand the reference but it is oblique at best. I think we can use this as an explanation. Stephane Humez of RCP said - " He's not necessarily lying. Keep in mind Dune 1 was finished late 2020. The film came out late 2021. Hans continued writing after Dune 1 was locked. The Sketchbook released in 2021 had ideas for both movies, with some segments probably written after Dune 1 was already finished." Source: https://hans-zimmer.com/discography/1/project/3591 What he is saying is indeed true. If you remember Dune was in fact completed and ready to go in 2020 but was pushed by a year. So Zimmer has finished the score for part 1 a year before the album came out. So it is possible he kept writing and included some of his new material in the Sketchbook. -- We have to go by eventually what we see in the movies. In the movies, the love theme represents the love theme only. The director who cut the movie and stuck the score in there says it is a love theme - Denis Villeneuve said: "I wanted Hans to write something unforgettable for Chani. A love theme, the love of Paul for Chani. I wanted something heartbreaking, and the most beautiful love theme ever written, and honestly I think he did it with the track A Time of Quiet Between the Storms." Literally neither the director or the guy who wrote the score are not calling it a Atredies theme. Jon Burlingame asks him to explain the theme and Zimmer doesn't say it is an Atredies theme. --- The other reason is - there is already a kind of Atredies theme! It is the Caladan theme. Again going by the movie - it plays at prominent points where there is a strong sense of the Atredies as a unit. It plays at the climax of the movie to represent that and when Paul meets another family member (vague due to spoilers). So I think that the Caladan theme represents the Atredies and the love theme represents Paul and Chani's relationship.

can we verify this? are there film clips on youtube that show the scene where the theme plays in part 1?

Straight from the horse's mouth. When asked what does that theme represent, he says it's the love theme for Chani and Paul. He said nothing about House Atriedies.

New to my was the fact that they he wrote Hedwig's theme in like an evening? It is much too complex a piece - one of his most elaborately orchestrated to be written so quickly.

What a smart erudite man - even at this age.

I'm aware of that but that doesn't count. It is just him doodling for 15 mins and slapping it on a "concept" album. I think of a concert suite as an orchestrated special presentation of thematic material - designed to showcase a theme in an overt expansive fashion - in a way it might not have the opportunity to do in the actual film. It is also something that can be played in concerts etc. Ain't nobody playing a trash Zimmer 15 min "sketch" or whatever he calls that crap in a classical concert hall. This is exactly me point. We are counting a handful going back 20 years. Concert suites isn't a standard practice for several reasons - it is beyond the skill of most composers to write concert suites - it is beyond the skill of most composers to writes themes worthy of concert suites

Was it ever really a wide spread non Williams trend among modern composers? I think from the 80s to now, Williams is the only composer who routinely wrote elaborate concert suites for his thematic material for nearly every score. Few composers do this as regularly as him.

This is one of the most clueless things you can say - unless you wrote the score. You KNOW you are correct??? Everybody here is participating in a discussion - offering examples and explanations for their interpretations. Nobody is making proclamations that they their view is the only valid view. That would be a conceited and ridiculous way to go about things.

Zimmer has said he wrote it after the score was done or something like that. He specifically said he wrote the theme for the second film at the end of completing the score for part 1 and included it on the album. Consequently, the love theme does not appear in Part 1, was not meant to appear in Part 1 and is NOT a house atridies theme. The theme has no connection to house atridies.

The A theme plays in Dune Part 2 when Paul destroys the Harvester. The scene has nothing to with Sand Worms. The B theme plays when he has a vision about the ocean and his sister and then in the end when he wins over Feyd. If the House Atridies theme does not appear in the movie Part 1 then it doesn't count. It only appears in Part 2 and it only represents Chani/Paul. It does not represent House Atridies regardless of its name.

My observation What you are calling Dune A is the Muadib theme. It plays whenever Paul does something prophetic or something that designates him to be the Muadib. Dune B is the Caladhan theme or the theme representing his home world. It plays whenever there is the sense of Paul's Caladhan heritage. The Chani and Paul love theme is only their love their theme. Does it ever really play in any context where it represents the Atrideies House? If it never appears in the film away from Chani/Paul then it can be said to be only their love theme.

I noticed that and wondered if we have those 3 suits as he first wrote and recorded them. EDIT: He mentions the famous Laura theme from David Raksin as a reference for Helena's Theme.

That was my vote! It didn't help it much though

Kinda sad to see The Reivers not even making Top 50. I think it might have to do with how obscure it is - both the film and score - rarely seen and rarely heard.

CC's review is very unclear about what that theme represents. How many times does it appear in the film and what does it represent based on that?