Incanus 5,890 Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 Yes those moments when the film makers had to invent more obstacles for the characters failed in the case of Stairs of Cirith Ungol very badly and to some extent with Faramir as well. There is an awful lot of apology and defence of those moments on the EE documentaries from Boyens and Jackson.
Jay 46,244 Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 I gott watch all those documentaries again, it's been years. And I'm pretty sure I never watched most of the ROTK ones. I was pretty LOTRed out for a while around then
Quintus 6,499 Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 I remember eventually reaching the final segment on the last disc, drunk. I got emotional...My ex didn't know whether to laugh at me or cringe! Ren 1
Wojo 2,458 Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 I still need to rip the commentary tracks from the DVDs and load them onto my iPod while I do other things, not glued to the TV set. Ren 1
Incanus 5,890 Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 I still need to rip the commentary tracks from the DVDs and load them onto my iPod while I do other things, not glued to the TV set.If you rip the 5.1 channel, you can get the audio commentary without PJ & co talking!
Marian Schedenig 11,695 Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 Frodo telling Sam to go home and Sam ACTUALLY TURNING AROUND AND LEAVING FRODO was the WORST thing about the entire production and COMPLETELY out of character for either book-Sam or film-Sam. HATE that change.But not Faramir character changes and the whole Osgiliath sequence in TTT?The way they handled Faramir's character is fantastic. In the EE.
Ren 77 Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 I remember eventually reaching the final segment on the last disc, drunk. I got emotional...My ex didn't know whether to laugh at me or cringe!Ha. That sounds exactly like what happened to me
gkgyver 1,647 Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 Frodo parting with Sam is not in the book, but it is not nearly as dramatic as people make it out to be. Just the same with Faramir.There are numerous threats the story implicates, but nothing is really ever happening, and you can't have a film with constantly implying danger without anything ever happening. The only thing happening to Frodo and Sam really, aside from the Shelob thing, is that they are captured by rangers, who turn out to be nice guys.Jackson and his writers tried to add some impact to the story, which was needed. There are other problems with ROTK for me, which are mainly in the technical department, for instance design.
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,388 Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 In the book they also nearly get found out by a group or Orcs in Mordor, but that's about it.
Red 75 Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 Frodo telling Sam to go home and Sam ACTUALLY TURNING AROUND AND LEAVING FRODO was the WORST thing about the entire production and COMPLETELY out of character for either book-Sam or film-Sam. HATE that change.Though that is a contradiction of Sam's mission as told to him by Gandalf in Fellowship, this moment never bothered me. It's an instance of defeat. Sam is following Frodo's orders.
KK 3,313 Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 I remember eventually reaching the final segment on the last disc, drunk. I got emotional...My ex didn't know whether to laugh at me or cringe!Ha. That sounds exactly like what happened to meMe too. alicebrallice 1
Incanus 5,890 Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 And you were crying your eyes out when you were writing that, weren't you BloodBoal?!!!
Richard P 5,303 Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 Frodo telling Sam to go home and Sam ACTUALLY TURNING AROUND AND LEAVING FRODO was the WORST thing about the entire production and COMPLETELY out of character for either book-Sam or film-Sam. HATE that change.Though that is a contradiction of Sam's mission as told to him by Gandalf in Fellowship, this moment never bothered me. It's an instance of defeat. Sam is following Frodo's orders.I don't remember many parts of the film very well (haven't watched it in full since release), but it also creates the problem of the 'reunion'. Sam reappears and Frodo just forgives him like that, with no explanation? (and in circumstances where a lack of food is a not a small problem) I think it's when Frodo wakes up in the tower.
Incanus 5,890 Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 Yeah PJs excessess are so clear to see from all the design.
alicebrallice 134 Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 I remember eventually reaching the final segment on the last disc, drunk. I got emotional...My ex didn't know whether to laugh at me or cringe!Ha. That sounds exactly like what happened to meMe too. bunch of drunks!
Quintus 6,499 Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 Takes one to know one!Yeah PJs excessess are so clear to see from all the design.Yeah, I'm particularly loving his dwarven design embellishments! Excesses in editing and runtime though, now they're more on my level of things to be concerned about.
gkgyver 1,647 Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 The runtime can't be long enough for a well-made Tolkien movie.
Quintus 6,499 Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 The runtime can always be long enough and more for a Peter Jackson movie. Someone ought to tell him that.
gkgyver 1,647 Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 Sometimes.But the difference between The Hobbit and King Kong is that there is loads of source material to make the longest version of the Hobbit entertaining.
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,388 Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 A crown of thorns? This is worse then the Starfish Hairdo!Release the Incanus!
Incanus 5,890 Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 Oh wow. Thranduil's crown of leaves is certainly an original creation... Not half as bad as the starfish but certainly original. And Lee Pace actually looks pretty nifty in Elf make-up. I find his dark eyebrows amid all the blond complection uncanny to say the least. Scary. The White Council picture looks wonderful!P.S. 50% of the Dwarf designs still irritate me. Dwarf Aragorn/Legolas Kili (Aidan Turner) just looks so out of place with the fellow Dwarves in his 2 day stubble. I bet everybody at Blue Mountains mocked Kili as a girly Dwarf for not having a beard at his age. His brother is just slightly Dwarfier.P.P.S. I can't wait to see Tauriel and Kili getting it on.
Quintus 6,499 Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 They all look great apart from the stupid photoshop action poses. The 15 adventurers one is perfect!
Incanus 5,890 Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 P.P.S. I can't wait to see Tauriel and Kili getting it on.I swear to god, when I first read your post, I thought you wrote: "I can't wait to see Tauriel getting killed"Obviously you are projecting your own bottomless hatred toward Tauriel into my writings. And no I don't wish her to be killed nor even suffer.Oh and yeah Chris Lee looks like he has been photoshopped some way. And btw one of the Dwarves is using a sling as a weapon. Bloody awful. Almost as bad as Bombur using a large laddle, because you know he is a big fat Dwarf who likes to eat and thus obviously uses kitchen utensils as weapons.
Quintus 6,499 Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 Just be thankful Gandalf didn't chew toffees...
Quintus 6,499 Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 A ranger midget. One for the teenage girls in the audience. (it may come as a shock to some to learn that the financiers of these movies don't feel comfortable catering soley to the needs of die hard Tolkien fans)
Jilal 681 Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 It'll be very odd to see a 'friendly' version of Saruman on screen.
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,388 Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 He won't be friendly. At the last White Council Saruman was already actively searching for the Ring.
Incanus 5,890 Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 I am sure Christopher Lee gives knowing evil looks at the camera at every turn to make that clear to us.
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,388 Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 I am sure Christopher Lee gives knowing evil looks at the camera at every turn to make that clear to us. Galadriel will also gives an ominous look to Saruman at least one. She will voice concern to Gandalf, but we will hear none of it. She will stroke his hair....
KK 3,313 Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 i personally sort of like the Thranduil design and I loved the picture of the White Council. But all those photoshop pictures of the dwarves in action are just so bloody awful...makes me kind of sick.And then... *shudders*
gkgyver 1,647 Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 And then... *shudders*What, you don't expect hot, sweaty sex between an elf and a half-god?
Luke Skywalker 2,385 Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 god... dwarwen eyebruses in an elf... at the wrong colour.i think legolas also had the wrong colour.. must be a faily trait...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,388 Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 Will Figwit be in this film?
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,388 Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 He won't actually! the actor will be in it, but he will play Lindir...
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