John Crichton 4 Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 Peter Jackson comments on a movie version of The Hobbit.The short story: he doesn't expect the lawyers to work out a deal that'll let the movie be made in less than 4 years. Sounds like lawyers. :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 Not only that, but isn't he or his company suing New Line for profits supposedly unpaid from the LOTR films or has that been settled?Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 Quote from comingsoon.net:Over the next few years, MGM is planning to release half a dozen films, some in the $150 million to $200 million-plus range. Studio is ready to unveil such high-profile projects as "Terminator 4"; one or two installments of "The Hobbit," which Sloan hopes will be directed by Peter Jackson; and a sequel to "The Thomas Crown Affair" with Pierce Brosnan.Two thumbs up! And let's hope Howard Shore won't get rejeced again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,751 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Well, I'll be wary and wait for a definitive official announcement. But it gives me some hope at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,666 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Hopefully this time Williams will do the score.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,106 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Nope, Shore needs to score this film if it does indeed get made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,081 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Hopefully this time Williams will do the score.K.M.Oh no! Noooooooooooooooooo! Too much fo a good thing is not very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty 0 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Anyone but Shore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,081 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Shore's scores kicked ass, the fact that that is not apparent to a small minority, is a true shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 566 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 If they want it to kick ass, Jackson should do it, and bring along the entire LotR team. And McKellen should reprise Gandalf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted September 11, 2006 Author Share Posted September 11, 2006 And I wonder if they could convincingly make Ian Holm a younger Bilbo. I can't imagine anyone else playing the character. Or don't want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 566 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I too would like to see Holm return. But his age is going to be too much of a problem, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 If Jackson does it (I hope he does, but doubt it) there are two things I'm sure of: it will be at least 2.5 hours long, and the dwarves will be awesomely cast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty 0 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Shore's scores kicked ass, the fact that that is not apparent to a small minority, is a true shame.I prefer the term 'silent majority'I thought Shore's scores were uninspired and mundane. There were only about 3 minutes of music in all three movies I thought was actually effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,207 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Shore's scores kicked ass, the fact that that is not apparent to a small minority, is a true shame.I prefer the term 'silent majority'I thought Shore's scores were uninspired and mundane. There were only about 3 minutes of music in all three movies I thought was actually effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I prefer the term 'silent majority' That's kind of cheap, covering your inability to bring on fair and effective points with a general statement that is impossible to disprove.It's like saying Williams' Star Wars sucks badly, the majority just remains silent.There were only about 3 minutes of music in all three movies I thought was actually effective.Right, that's why half of the audience was in tears everytime I saw them in the theatre.But back on topic. I fear that, if The Hobbit will be released as one movie, Beorn will share the fate of Tom Bombadil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,751 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I wouldn't really mind if they'd left Beorn out. I always found that bit rather tedious and overly childish. Though he does make a nice return at the battle.I too would like to see Holm return. But his age is going to be too much of a problem, I think.I'm afraid you may be right. Still, it would be great if they managed to do it. I mean, a scene from The Hobbit is already in FOTR, so if it was ok for him to look like that for one brief scene, it should be ok for the full movie. He'll just have to bear the heavy makeup - a fate he'll doubtlessly share with the dwarves (who I very much hope will NOT wear rainbow-coloured beards) (my spell checker marks "dwarves" as misspelled, but in this case it's of course correct ).Anyway, even though he is perhaps my top favourite actor, I hadn't thought of Holm as Bilbo until he was announced, but from that moment on I immediately found that he matched the description of Bilbo in the book perfectly. I then was at first a bit disappointed by his inconspicuous performance, but only until I realised that he had just impersonated Bilbo so well that I accepted him as completely natural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,953 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 who cares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futuremartymcfly 0 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Yay, so if this is true, then there will finally be a Smaug better looking then that cat in the animated film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty 0 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I prefer the term 'silent majority' That's kind of cheap, covering your inability to bring on fair and effective points with a general statement that is impossible to disprove.It's like saying Williams' Star Wars sucks badly, the majority just remains silent.There were only about 3 minutes of music in all three movies I thought was actually effective.Right, that's why half of the audience was in tears everytime I saw them in the theatre.Exactly!!! But I don't care how the audience reacts, I care about how I react. The audience has their opinion, I have mine. I thought the music wasn't good. I don't see how the term cheap could be applied because the "audience" you mention don't intelectuallize it like we do. How many people are actually on this message board? The ones who liked the scores are very verbal about it, the ones that don't are pounded until they think they have no reason to add their opinion. I, for one, like the debate and think it is fun when people get wound up over very simple little statements!!!! There are reasons that Shore was fired on King Kong. And it is for reasons you probably wouldn't agree with, but the film makers thought it was important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,311 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I'd love to see Hobbit made into a movie, but directed by someone besides Jackson.Romão, not a big fan of Shore's LOTR music either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Two thumbs up! And let's hope Howard Shore won't get rejeced again  He won't. His LOTR scores sold loads of CDs (and many people were willing to buy them twice, as the new release proved), so I have no doubt the studio will want him on this as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,925 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I'd love to see Hobbit made into a movie, but directed by someone besides Jackson.Romão, not a big fan of Shore's LOTR music either.I concur.This franchise needs ILM sfx I would like Gandalf to be McKellen (even thought i didnt like him the 1st time i saw him) But now, He IS Gandlaf. If that means that Jackson and his crew have to be, well I always thought Jakcson would be doing it, so no great deal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,751 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Yay, so if this is true, then there will finally be a Smaug better looking then that cat in the animated film.Now, interesting question: Who would provide Smaug's voice? (And Andy Serkis is not an option, he can't do two animated characters... considering his real/CGI double role in Kong, I wouldn't be surprised if they cast him as Bombur anyway ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty 0 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Yay, so if this is true, then there will finally be a Smaug better looking then that cat in the animated film.Now, interesting question: Who would provide Smaug's voice? (And Andy Serkis is not an option, he can't do two animated characters... considering his real/CGI double role in Kong, I wouldn't be surprised if they cast him as Bombur anyway )Peter Cullen of Optimus Prime fame! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,106 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Now, interesting question: Who would provide Smaug's voice? (And Andy Serkis is not an option, he can't do two animated characters... considering his real/CGI double role in Kong, I wouldn't be surprised if they cast him as Bombur anyway )James Earl Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,925 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I was thinking of him too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,407 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Anthony Hopkins with some vocal alteration could be interesting as Smaug. Hmm, who's to say that PJ would actually allow Smaug to speak at all? Smaug in a speaking role is not a given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,925 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Does Smaug talk in the book?Why would PJ not allow it if he does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,106 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Brian Blessed might be good or even John Rhys-Davies. He could go from dwarf to dragon.Of course Samuel L. Jackson would be my choice......"I'm tired of all these little M%&$#@ F*&$%^@ Hobbits running around!!!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,925 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,407 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Does Smaug talk in the book?Why would PJ not allow it if he does?Yes, he speaks at length actually. Its works very well in the book, but it may prove difficult to keep a sense of realism in the film. Mind you, I thought that they would struggle with Treebeards voice, but they figured that out just fine, so perhaps my caution is unfounded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,925 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Yes, he speaks at length actually. Its works very well in the book, but it may prove difficult to keep a sense of realism in the film..??? Realism? We are talking dragons here...Draco from Dragonheart looked good. Smaug could look better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,407 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Smart ass. You knew what I was getting at. LOTR is fantasy grounded in reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 566 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I too would like to see Holm return. But his age is going to be too much of a problem, I think.I'm afraid you may be right. Still, it would be great if they managed to do it. I mean, a scene from The Hobbit is already in FOTR, so if it was ok for him to look like that for one brief scene, it should be ok for the full movie. He'll just have to bear the heavy makeup - a fate he'll doubtlessly share with the dwarves (who I very much hope will NOT wear rainbow-coloured beards) (my spell checker marks "dwarves" as misspelled, but in this case it's of course correct ).According to the FotR commentary, IIRC, they basically had to duct tape Holm's loose skin to the back of his head to give him the facelift for the Hobbit scene. I doubt he'll take that for an entire film... And seeing how he's not exactly the youngest anymore, I don't know if he can keep up the energy the young Bilbo requires. And I too hope the Dwarves won't have colored beards. I wouldn't really mind if they'd left Beorn out. I always found that bit rather tedious and overly childish. Though he does make a nice return at the battle. Not my favorite part either. I think I stranded there two out of three times I've read the book. It just felt like the story was going nowhere while they were at Beorn's.who cares?Quite a number of people, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxman717 22 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I wouldn't really mind if they'd left Beorn out. I always found that bit rather tedious and overly childish. Though he does make a nice return at the battle.I too would like to see Holm return. But his age is going to be too much of a problem, I think.I'm afraid you may be right. Still, it would be great if they managed to do it. I mean, a scene from The Hobbit is already in FOTR, so if it was ok for him to look like that for one brief scene, it should be ok for the full movie. He'll just have to bear the heavy makeup - a fate he'll doubtlessly share with the dwarves (who I very much hope will NOT wear rainbow-coloured beards) (my spell checker marks "dwarves" as misspelled, but in this case it's of course correct ).Anyway, even though he is perhaps my top favourite actor, I hadn't thought of Holm as Bilbo until he was announced, but from that moment on I immediately found that he matched the description of Bilbo in the book perfectly. I then was at first a bit disappointed by his inconspicuous performance, but only until I realised that he had just impersonated Bilbo so well that I accepted him as completely natural.Think about it though.........in FoTR, they are celebrating Bilbo's 111th birthday, and Gandalf states "You haven't aged a day...." . So he would only have to look as "young" as he did in FoTR to play Bilbo in The Hobbit. I'm not sure how much he aged in the past few 6-7 years, but it couldn't have been so much that he couldn't look like he did in FoTR with a little makeup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,106 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 A little CGI tweaking and a stunt double could work wonders.Christopher Lee's voice would be interesting as Smaug, if he is still around when they get to filming it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 if he is still around when they get to filming it.I sincerely hope he is.A little CGI tweaking and a stunt double could work wonders. I think I read that some digital face-lift device is being tried out now. It could work. I think Holm is a good enough actor to "act young" to compliment that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 566 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 They did it to Ian McKellen and Patrick Stewart for the opening scene of X-Men: The Last Stand.But to do it to your lead character for an entire film... Sounds ruddy expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 But to do it to your lead character for an entire film... Sounds ruddy expensive.But think about it - this film is about 3-4 years away, right? Let's go back to 1997, four years before FOTR - it was almost unthinkable that you could digitally "shrink" people alongside "real size" actors (as they did with the hobbits and dwarves) for an entire film. The technology moved on a lot in those four years, and I'm sure it will in the next four, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 566 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Well, let's hope so.Holm for Bilbo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I'm not entirely sure that this report is true, but I'm very excited nonetheless. The way I see it, this film needs at least 4 things: - Peter Jackson - Howard Shore - Ian McKellen - Ian HolmWeta workshop is optional, but I would rather have them then ILM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,360 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I'll be excited when I see actual evidence that this is happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,925 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 But to do it to your lead character for an entire film... Sounds ruddy expensive.But think about it - this film is about 3-4 years away, right? Let's go back to 1997, four years before FOTR - it was almost unthinkable that you could digitally "shrink" people alongside "real size" actors (as they did with the hobbits and dwarves) for an entire film. The technology moved on a lot in those four years, and I'm sure it will in the next four, as well.Willow was made in 1988.And the hobitts are very cleverly put in their places in the scenes to minimize the work.In fact, there are little scenes were they truly make interactions with bigger people. And some of those look odd and 'fail' to some degree. Are they so digitalized or just filmed isolated? I think they also used kids against tall people, close ups, camera angles and so. Some times you can tell gimli is on his knees, i think.In 1997 i really couldnt say ' they cannot do it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 566 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Weta workshop is optional, but I would rather have them then ILM.ILM SchmILM. WETA Workshop and WETA Digital all the way for this one. After all they did on LotR, why would you let ILM do all the art research all over again, if you can just bring in Richard Taylor and all the other folks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,925 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 They could just give the dragon to ILM (research for this must be done from 'scratch')You know, Dragonheart, Goblet of Fire, Eragon...They could always pull a Master and Commander collaboration.Anyway unless someone related to ILM does it and jackson has nothing to do, WETA Will do it. It seems to be the most popular company nowadays: i'll reference a Disney bussinesman: (approximate)'We have hired WETA, the best SFX company nowadays to make a new disney logo for our movie Pirates of the Caribean: Dead man's chest.' :roll: So that's why you hired ILM to do the whole movie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I really do want WETA, and I know that they are the most qualified to do the job.Rabbit--who wants to see the dwarf battle on screen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 @ FrostyI'm really tired of leading pretentious discussions about the quality of Shore's epic, so let's just call it a day. As long as your so-called "silent majority" keeps their traps shut, I'll be happy.No matter who will be in charge of the project, I think pretty much anyone in his right mind would want to assemble the LotR crew. There's no good reason against it, really. I'm not saying no one else could pull it off, but those people are simply into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,106 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 A very small silent majority if you ask me.WETA all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,311 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 ILM's work on POTC was simply outstanding. Maybe this year they'll finally give ILM's first oscar since Forrest Gump. They have deserved many since.Romão, who thinks LOTR's special effects, besides Gollum, don't really look that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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