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#1 Greg1138

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Posted 25 March 2005 - 07:36 PM

I was one of those that grew up with the late Tom Baker stories, and I wanted to BE Peter Davison when I was littler....Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy weren't helped by some dumb stories (it never really got any better than Tom Baker and the Genesis of the Daleks, story-wise....though Colin Baker had a few good'uns to chew on....)

And so, 16 years have passed since the good Doctor and Ace went off for that cup of tea, and in a little under 24 hours a new series starts......finally.......

.....not to discard the Paul McGann show, but it just wasn't Dr Who.....not really.....half human, huh?......though Eric Roberts made a good Master (not in Roger Delgado's league though.....)

So - 16 years' wait are almost at an end - I can only hope it was worth it all, but by the look of the trailers, boy, am I in for a treat for the next few Saturday nights at 7pm......

Greg - who feels that we should move our living-room around so that there is room to hide behind the sofa.....

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Posted 25 March 2005 - 08:54 PM

Who?

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Posted 25 March 2005 - 09:26 PM

Quite...

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Posted 25 March 2005 - 09:56 PM

Huh?

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Posted 25 March 2005 - 10:29 PM

Have I truly found the one person in the known universe who has never heard of Doctor Who? Daleks? Cybermen???

Classic line:

"Hello, I'm the Doctor...."
"Doctor....who?"
"Quite....."

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Posted 25 March 2005 - 11:28 PM

What?

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Posted 25 March 2005 - 11:39 PM

I'm very upset that a deal hasn't been reached for the new series to be shown in the US yet. Why can't they just put it on BBC America for censored sake?

Enjoy, Greg, and I'm looking forward to hearing how good it is. :P
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Posted 26 March 2005 - 01:15 AM

Who?

Huh?

What?

Reading Neil's posts in this thread, the chorus of "My name is" by Eminem comes into my mind...


Hi! My name is.. (what?)
My name is.. {scratches} Slim Shady
Hi! My name is.. (huh?)
My name is.. {scratches} Slim Shady


LOL Way to go Neil!!
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Posted 26 March 2005 - 01:36 AM

Who?

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 01:38 AM

When?

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 08:31 AM

Who?

Neil


Neil...

Dr Who is like TOS for the English, only far more successfull, since it did't get pulled after 3 years.

It's has a huge worldwide fanbase with a dedication thar rivals that of any Trekkie geek.

It also has a very cool theme.

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 08:42 AM

Why?

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 08:44 AM

Mirko, stop killing Neil's joke.

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 08:49 AM

And you stop killing my fun everytime. Gimme a break man, I'm not your slave Ender...

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 09:35 AM

You will be....


YOU WILL BE!!!!!

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 09:40 AM

Never!

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 10:01 AM

That is what Ender said once, long ago.

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 10:19 AM

Oh yeah...but he's a statue actually...

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 12:13 PM

It also has a very cool theme.


Abso-flamin-lutely.....and they've kept the sting......

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 01:15 PM

I'm very upset that a deal hasn't been reached for the new series to be shown in the US yet. Why can't they just put it on BBC America for  censored  sake?

Enjoy, Greg, and I'm looking forward to hearing how good it is.  :mrgreen:


I promise not to post any spoilers - hell, most of the god stuff is already well-known (returns of the Autons, the Daleks etc etc.....), but if you want a sneak peak check out the trailers.....

Greg - less than 6 hours.....

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 01:38 PM

Mirko, stop killing Neil's joke.

He thrives on killing my jokes. Think of some on your own!

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 03:01 PM

I'm not interested in stealing nobody's joke. Thanks anyways!

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 03:20 PM

Aha! So you ARE stealing his jokes????? Caught you!

Dr Who theme is a classic, though the version used for the Peter Davison era was the best in my opinion.....also the re-arranged version for the "Death Comes to Time" Radio drama was great.....

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 04:50 PM

Neil - who loves the Dr. Who theme but can't stand the show


Indeed.

Justin - Who watched Dr. Who as a young child.

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 04:50 PM

Neil - who loves the Dr. Who theme but can't stand the show


Why, because of the rather cheapish production value?

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 05:08 PM

I think it's just one of those shows you either love or hate...there is no middle ground of being able to tolerate it if it is the only thing on.....certainly there are pleny of episodes that I've seen of it that I would rather have had dental work done for that half-hour....but hopefully with today's production values, Christopher Ecclestone as the good Doctor, and writers/directors/producers with an affection for the original show, this new production should be dynamite......the only thing I just can't see is Billie Piper as the companion.....but I hope my mind is changed.....

Greg - who has less than 2 hours to wait now....

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 05:55 PM

I've always found it's utter bizarre storytelling very off putting, ever since I was a kid. I just couldn't warm up to it. The theme is really cool though. I listened to it again today.

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 06:08 PM

It wasn't always like that....see if you can rent out what many consider to be the ultimate Doctor Who story....I mentioned it earlier - Genesis of the Daleks with Tom Baker.....read the analysis here.....sci-fi writing at it's best.....and way, way better than 95% of the stories that came after it......

Greg - who is probably onto a loser trying to convert Neil into a Whovian, but who still thinks it is a (mostly) cool show.....

........53 minutes left..........

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 06:49 PM

I remember Genesis of the Daleks. The story was intersting but I still can't get over the IMO horrible co-stars that are always in every Doctor Who show.

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 07:55 PM

OK just saw it.

I have never seen an episode of the earlier versions before, so I cannot offer any comparison, but this was fun.

Tongue in cheek and yet intelligent, Rose looks like an interesting character, with a cluts mother and a useless boyfriend.

Eccleston is charismatic and funny, and looks right for this kinda material, since it has to be played straight on a fundermental level.

Special effects were pretty good, not great but good.

Nice modern touches were the Internet Conspiracy Theorist and the fact that Rose was unable to reconize a Police Call Box.

If there was a problem with it it might be that things happened fast and not a lot is explained. (though since this is the continuation of a 26 year old series you can forgive the producers for not spelling out everything)

All in all it dores what a pilot or a first episode is supposed to do, it sets up the characters and raises interest.
I think I will be watching this, it has the wonderfull "englishness" about it, reminiscent of shows like The Avengers.
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Posted 26 March 2005 - 09:08 PM

OK just saw it.

I have never seen an episode of the earlier versions before, so I cannot offer any comparison, but this was fun.

Tongue in cheek and yet intelligent, Rose looks like an interesting character, with a cluts mother and a useless boyfriend.

Eccleston is charismatic and funny, and looks right for this kinda material, since it has to be played straight on a fundermental level.

Special effects were pretty good, not great but good.

Nice modern touches were the Internet Conspiracy Theorist and the fact that Rose was unable to reconize a Police Call Box.

If there was a problem with it it might be that things happened fast and not a lot is explained. (though since this is the continuation of a 26 year old series you can forgive the producers for not spelling out everything)

All in all it dores what a pilot or a first episode is supposed to do, it sets up the characters and raises interest.
I think I will be watching this, it has the wonderfull "englishness" about it, reminiscent of shows like The Avengers.  
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Steef - couldn't have said it better myself.....you summed up my thoughts nicely......and that's from someone who WAS a fan all those years ago.....when the Paul McGann movie happended, I coudn't help but feel that it wasn't really Dr Who.....this time, oh yes, he's back......

As for the Garbage Containers (or "Wheely-bins" as us stiff-assed brits call them!), there is a nod there to two much earlier stories - the Nestene Consciousness has appeared before, back in Jon Pertwee's days (in fact, I think it was his very first story.....) - nice that they put stuff in there for us long-time fans!

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 09:17 PM

Naturally.

This new series is perhaps how Star Trek should be handled, give it a rest for a decade or so, then let a new generation who grew up with the series and know and respects it's qualities and singularities.

BTW, was not very impressed by the music, the redone theme was good (though I liked the older version with it's prime evil synth more). But the music in the episode was not very intersting, it neither added or subtracted to the episode.

How was the quality of music on the old series?

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 10:28 PM

BTW, was not very impressed by the music, the redone theme was good (though I liked the older version with it's prime evil synth more). But the music in the episode was not very intersting, it neither added or subtracted to the episode.

How was the quality of music on the old series?


I agree to an extent - perhaps I expected something a little more subtle (the music in the "Old" series was mostly re-cycled from episode to episode, year upon year, but it had a distinct sound to it that was well-used on occasion - Tom Baker's story "State of Decay" had a great soundtrack....).....having said that though, the music for this new series echoed the earlier Sylvester McCoy outings (especially Delta and the Bannermen).......and they kept the "Sting" for this new series.....got their priorities right!!

Greg - who will not be rushing out to buy the inevitable OST CD, unless it becomes the only source of the new theme music......

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 10:33 PM

Forgot to mention - for a fun, interactive look at the sound effects and theme music, look here!

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 10:57 PM

I have never watched any doctor who before, but this made me almost sick. It was poorly acted, with Shite special effects (or lack of) and ridiculous story line and just stupid unbelievable characters. It suxx0red! :mrgreen:

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 11:05 PM

Riiggghhhhtttt...........

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Posted 29 March 2005 - 06:53 AM

I can't believe it! Everyone has seen this except me! :thumbup:(. I grew up with this show as a kid. I Started watching in 1974 with the last few Pertwee stories. Of course Tom Baker is my fave. To me seasons 12-14 were the absolute highlight of the show. Seeds of Doom is my personal favourite serial, but Genesis is also terrific. I'm waiting for someone to send me the DVD of Rose so I'll be able to join in a little more knowledgeably with this thread. I can't wait to see it. I hear the episode did well in England ratings-wise. It got about 44% of the viewing public at the time it was shown. Not bad at all. 10 million viewers. That's about what the show got in its heyday. Definitely promising.

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Posted 29 March 2005 - 02:37 PM

Yes - it was a ratings hit in the UK, despite a sound gaff which spoilt the first few minutes (the apprently didn't turn the live microphones off from the previous show - donkeys!!) My brother, who works for the BBC Parliament channel, said that everyone suddenly went sick on Saturday afternoon.....I wonder why!!!! It's well worth waiting for.....rumours are that it should be scheduled for broadcast in the US around the end of April/beginning of May......

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Posted 29 March 2005 - 02:42 PM

Didn't David Arnold rework the theme at a certain moment? For some audio series of Dr Who? I was never quite sure though - anybody?

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Posted 29 March 2005 - 03:03 PM

From Big Finish's website (they are carrying on Dr Who stories starring some of the oiginal actors but in an audio capacity only)

"Recently we had very constructive talks with Dominic Glynn and Keff McCulloch which has enabled us to secure the rights to using their versions on the relevant adventures. Thus, from 2003 onwards, Fifth Doctor stories will utilise the Peter Howell arrangement, stories set within the Sixth Doctor's first full season will use the Howell variation and then annything set during/post the Trial season will use Dominic's. And for the Seventh Doctor adventures (and those set as a side-step during the Virgin New Adventures run) we use Keff's. For the 8th Dotor series, it seemed a fun idea to create our own unique version and thus, thanks to Mark Gatiss, we were able to work with David Arnold in between Bond movies, to produce a quite exciting version that can be found, reworked by Alistair Lock on the first run of 8th Doctor plays, and re-edited by Davy Darlington on the second run. David Arnold's full, untouched mix appears on the Music From The Eighth Doctor Audios double CD."

Greg - who did not know this until today and now wants to hear it!!!





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