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Indeed, it is. Oh and I finally ordered it just now from Intrada. No problems at all. Lucky me. hehehe.

I agree with you completely. Then again, I would. I listened to it this morning as well and agree that Quark to the Rescue will be missed when I get the Intrada CD. It's a very nice underscore track, which there aren't too many of in the score (most tracks are loud and crazy). But to not want the CD because of this omission I think is a bit unfair. Although I am not sure of the sound quality improvement, I am sure it is much better than the bootleg's, and having most of the tracks, and all of the great ones, in better sound quality for only 20 dollars is definitely enough reason to purchase. Especially since it is limited, for a score like this, I'd rather have it than not. You just gotta hang onto a few bootleg tracks is all. I'm not defending the producers of the CD at all, but I'm just saying I'm still surprised we saw this released AT ALL officially.

Perhaps they included "Ant Safari" at the end of the track? No, I don't think so because "Ant Safari" is about 48 seconds long, it'd be too long to attach after that cue, let alone would be a bit jarring in tone comparison. I guess we won't know for sure about this or the other cue I mentioned being shorter until we get the CD. So I'm holding onto my entire bootleg until I get it just in case. I am glad that we are able to replace most of the tracks on the bootleg for sure though. I can't wait to hear "Lawn Mower" in remastered CD quality! It has the kind of scary rendition of the main title them with the organ at a REALLY fast tempo! But that isn't the worst thing about the release. The worst thing is that it is missing 10 minutes.

Well, I don't feel so bad then. hehe

Wish granted. I hope no one minded me mentioning the bootleg on the forums. Although I may or may not own the bootleg, I am still purchasing this release. I'm sure the sound quality on it is much more fantastic as well.

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I am so happy about this release! I never thought this would happen! I am however a little dissapointed that the CD release is not quite complete and VERY out of film sequence. I almost feel like nitpicking it like I first did with the Indiana Jones set release, lol. Luckily though there has been a bootleg around for some time that does feature the complete score, which I may or may not possess. I also may or may not have compared the tracks and track times to this bootleg and figured out what bits aren't on this release. What's missing is not really anything major at all, but should be noted. I could be wrong on some of these, but I'm pretty sure I got it right. The following will make sense for those who may or may not have the bootleg of the complete score. (the following 3 cues are only no more than 30 seconds long) *The Baseball- the cue that plays when the next door neighbor kid hits the ball into the attic, setting off the shrink machine *The Shrinking Starts- the cue where I believe the shrink machine shrinks the furniture *Ron and Nick- the cue where the machine shrinks Ron and Nick *Quark to the Rescue- the cue where the kids are in the backyard whistling for their dog to come to them and where they climb the flower and Nick falls in it *Bees!- the cue when the two kids fall on the bee as it flies around all over the yard *Ant Safari- short cue (less than a minute) with the kids traveling on Anty *A New Pet- I believe this cue is after they find the giant cigarette and claim Anty as their new pet Out of all those cues that appear to not be on the CD, the only two I miss are Quark to the Rescue and Bees!. Neither are entirely engaging or cues that highlighted the score, but especially the latter cue chronicles a significant part in the movie and is a nice and different action track in the body of the score. I don't mind the other missing cues though since they are so short and are mostly restatements of other parts of the score. Anyone else here think my list is accurate? The only other things I noticed are that the Intrada CD track A New World (the part where the kids enter the backyard from the trash bag) seems shorter compared to the boot by at least 30 seconds, and the Intrada CD track Flying Szalinsky (the part where Wayne spins around on the contraption he made to look for his kids in the grass) seems about 20 seconds longer than the boot. But these could be time errors on the site for all I know, won't know til we get the CD. I'd also like to mention I may or may not have checked total time against the Intrada CD times and the boot, and the Intrada is indeed missing about 10 minutes total from those cues I listed. Still very strange thing for them to do... obviously a score that is almost exactly 1 hour long can easily fit on a single CD. And with so many complete releases these days it makes it even more strange. I know I'm nitpicking but I can't help it, this is one of my favorite scores. I remember when I saw the movie as a kid and always wanted the music! One of the first movie I saw where the film music stood out. I also now think I have the Intrada CD in chrono order. When you get it, put it in this order. 01- 01. Main Title 02- 02. Strange Neighbors 03- 06. Test Run 04- 03. Shrunk 05- 04. A New World 06- 11. The Machine Works 07- 09. Watering The Grass 08- 10. Ant Rodeo 09- 07. Flying Szalinsky 10- 08. Night Time 11- 05. Scorpion Attack 12- 12. Lawn Mower 13- 13. Eaten Alive 14- 14. Big Russ Volunteers 15- 15. Thanksgiving Dinner And for those that may or may not have the bootleg with the same titles I mentioned above, you would stick in the missing bits like this: 01- 01. Main Title 02- 02. Strange Neighbors 03- 06. Test Run 04- *The Baseball 05- *The Shrinking Starts 06- *Ron and Nick 07- 03. Shrunk 08- 04. A New World 09- *Quark to the Rescue 10- *Bees! 11- 11. The Machine Works 12- 09. Watering The Grass 13- 10. Ant Rodeo 14- 07. Flying Szalinsky 15- *Ant Safari 16- *A New Pet 17- 08. Night Time 18- 05. Scorpion Attack 19- 12. Lawn Mower 20- 13. Eaten Alive 21- 14. Big Russ Volunteers 22- 15. Thanksgiving Dinner

Here's hoping for GREMLINS or GOONIES.

...It has got to be ADDAMS FAMILY VALUES. And it's all because of this scene... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptLD0kCoHG4 Another scene I must quote from the film, although there are many: Wednesday: I don't want to be in the pageant. Gary: Don't you want to help me realize my vision? Wednesday: Your work is puerile and under-dramatized. You lack any sense of structure, character, or the Aristotelian unities. Gary: Young lady, I am getting just a tad tired of your attitude problem. LOL Seriously, if any of you have any sense of humor at all, you must see this movie! And today would be a great day for the Thanksgiving scene alone, as posted above. LOL.

Thank you for all the input guys! I am glad you are all taking it seriously! My response at this moment is short and I will be PM'ing some of you, I think, but perhaps something really can happen with all of this! I am also really intrigued about the program mentioned that can turn my hums into a MIDI file. What is it called? By the way, for those that have a cell phone that can record sound bytes, that is how I get a lot of themes-on-the-spot in some kind of form. I immediately take out my phone and record a sound byte (it can hold about a minute I think) of me humming and save it. Thats how a lot of mine are saved. Its convenient!

Alright... don't laugh at me... okay... maybe you can laugh a little... but I have a odd proposition. For many, many years I have had musical themes in my head. I write stories a lot, and sometimes I come up with little themes for them. Sometimes I even come up with entire musical set pieces in my mind (even action). It's become stronger as the years have gone by. I guess you could call me a struggling composer, if mostly due to the fact I don't play any musical instruments or know how to read music. And I have tried, and for some reason it doesn't click with me. It's like learning another language, which I have also tried (Spanish) with the same results. I guess some people are only built for certain things. It frustrates me to no end because I really think if it did somehow click with me, I would be really, really good. And it would finally get so many things off my chest and finally be able to hear these themes from my mind come to life. And that would be the ultimate treat in itself, no matter how successful. So... ehm... well I was wondering if any of you who do know how to read/write music and have the special talent of being able to "play/write by ear"... if I sent you recordings of me humming/whistling/describing certain themes or ideas if maybe you could attempt to compose them for me? It would be a joint effort, and could be a really engaging and rewarding experience where both get equal credit and recognition. Obviously I am not doing this to try and sell it or make any money, but who knows, if the relationship between me and whoever makes these things continues and thrives, maybe it could be something big? I bet some of you are either laughing your a**es off right now or rolling your eyes and turning away, which is fine. I think I probably would too if it weren't me writing this. But this is how anxious I am. Or, maybe one of you could just teach me how to understand reading/writing music, since the teacher at my school failed miserably to do so.

As noted by Mark O, there was the official CD that had mostly songs and a few tracks of Goldsmith's score. And yes most of the bootlegs have a lot of hiss. There are two main different bootlegs of this score. One has most of the score and is in decent sounding quality. There is hiss, but it isn't overbearing and doesn't take away the listening experience. Especially for a score from the mid 80's. But there is another bootleg out there (and I don't think it is a DVD rip) that appears to be the complete score. However, this one is overbearing in hiss and is not enjoyable to listen to at all. I would say it is worse than the worst quality tracks of the Last Crusade bootlegs. I... *cough* may have one or both of those *cough* if you want to *cough* talk about them... *starts coughing uncontrollably* GREMLINS needs to have a official CD release for the score. And judging by all of the releases of Goldsmith's old scores coming out recently (obviously due to his untimely death) I am hoping it is only a matter of time. It really was one of his best scores and definitely one of his most original. As for Honey, I Shrunk The Kids, there is pretty good sounding bootleg of it's complete score. It uses a lot of tracks from what I am guessing was a limited edition CD that had tracks from Honey, I Shrunk The Kids and some other James Horner score. However, from some unknown source comes the rest of the cues from the movie, in varying quality. Some have more hiss than others, but even the ones with the most hiss don't sound that bad at all. I may *coughs again* also be able to talk to you *cough* about that one. It's a shame that that score, however, probably will never get an official release due to all the copyright issues involved with James Horner "borrowing" the Amarcord theme...

Yes, because it features music not on those 2CD releases, including the original film version End Credits of RETURN OF THE JEDI, and the Lapti Nek song that plays in Jabba's palace in the original version of RETURN. Although the latter may not be much of a track to some. But for completeists, it is.

There are three very specific films from my childhood that stick to my mind in regards to what movies and their scores got me into soundtracks. The first obvious one for me was JURASSIC PARK by John Williams. I saw the movie when I was 6 when it came out, and even though my parents urged me not to have any desire to see it because it would be too scary, I was such a dinosaur fan already I HAD to. Especially one day I was at my town's local park which was right next to a Drive-In theater... that's right... a Drive-In theater... and I saw a glimpse of the movie on the screen. My parents eventually gave into my demands, and boy was I taken in right away by the music once the characters take their "Journey to the Island". And of course... being so young... my parents were right. The movie scared the me sh*tless! Especially the part when the Dilophosaurus (Spitter) attacks Dennis Nedry, with its frill shaking and spit landing on Nedry's shirt. And of course afterward when it's in the car right next to him... that did it for me! But as scared as I was it was always a treat to be in a car watching a movie projected on a big screen out in the open. It's an experience I wish I could re-live, however the Drive-In was closed long ago, and even the screen is demolished. Anyway, I had nightmares after I saw the movie... but for some incredibly strange reason I wanted to see it AGAIN. My parents were extremely puzzled, but they eventually let me see it at least one more time at a regular theater out of town. And after that... I was somehow magically hooked. It became my favorite movie, and it still is my personal favorite. Now, as for the music... it wasn't until years later when my Aunt and Uncle gave me a cassette mix of soundtracks from various movies (they were apparently movie score buffs) that I got to hear Jurassic Park's score apart from the film. I always noticed it in the film, and always wanted to hear it alone, but never got a chance or any way to do so. Although the mix she made only had a few tracks from it, it was enough to get me hooked in obtaining the real thing. When I did... it gave me this magical feeling everytime. Like I wasn't in my house or in my backyard anymore... but some place else. Some place that felt even more like home, in some ways. It was comforting. Escapism. And the melodies were a delight. Even when things got "scary". Things have never been the same for me since. I mentioned that there were two other films that got me into movie scores. Both I never saw in theaters and didn't obtain their scores (neither officially released) until about 5 years ago. But they had such a distinct impression on me just from watching their films. These would be Jerry Goldsmith's GREMLINS and James Horner's HONEY, I SHRUNK THE KIDS. GREMLINS took me every time when the end credits would roll and the "Gremlins Rag" would play. It was such an addicting and zany and strange musical piece, and for years I would never even get to hear the whole thing because whoever was watching it with me (mom or dad or sister) they would stop the film not long after the end credits just started! As for HONEY, I SHRUNK THE KIDS, right from the opening title cartoon sequence I was in love with Horner's jazzy number. Sure, its partly a stolen piece (like much of Horner's music, hehe) but I had no idea about that in my young age, and even if I did, his use of it is so frantic and crazy that it pretty much is original. A factor I need to mention that all 3 had in common was the fact that at some point in each film, things would get intense and the music would reflect it. The climax of JURASSIC PARK with the raptors at the visitor center, the mom fighting the GREMLINS in the kitchen, and the lawn mower trying to suck the kids up in HONEY, I SHRUNK THE KIDS, for example. Each time I saw/heard these parts, I was utterly caught up in the moment of the intensity, and the music was totally ingrained in my mind. Like an adrenaline rush. And not all climax moments or intense moments in film scores work in this way for me (example: virtually any Media Ventures score). It has to be done in some intense, clever, and terrifying way, usually enhanced by doing a scary rendition of a previously heard theme. When a moment like THAT happens, I am hooked. And that pretty much explains the types of soundtracks I like most: those that feature lush, romantic themes (JURASSIC PARK), strange moments (GREMLINS), frantic craziness (HONEY, I SHRUNK THE KIDS), and intense, scary moments (all 3). Suffice to say, this combination is hard to come by!

It's kind of unfair to compare these two scores since they are drastically different in tone. The ESB VS TOD poll made sense because they were both action/adventure scores. But I don't for a moment consider ET an action/adventure score (only in a couple cues). So, I for one can't choose between these two because they are too different in style, and too different in their source films. Will TOD VS JURASSIC PARK be next?

Really? That many people didn't obtain DVD rips of the music long before the set came out? I guess that may be true, some people refuse to listen to DVD rips, even if that is the only way to hear a score (and pretty much, Temple of Doom's score was almost virtually unreleased til now). And I guess some people may have never heard the OST because they didn't want to pay for some expensive used copy or download it "illegally" online. I pretty much knew all of the music that came up on the CD, with some exceptions like Map/Out of Fuel and The Secret Passage (since they were SFX heavy DVD rips before, and I never included them in my edit because of it) and of course the new moments on the Concord CD that was never in the film (like the parts in Water!). So listening to this score this time around certainly wasn't a totally new experience for me. Sure the hell strengthened it though. So I'll be standing by my vote.

I love both, but I personally prefer Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. When I listen to Empire Strikes Back I rarely listen to it all the way through. It's a score where I usually want to get to the meat and potatoes, and every once in a while listen to it in full. But every time I just start a particular track of Temple of Doom, I either have to keep going on it's course from that point on or I may even start over from the beginning, suddenly aching to hear it all again. It's a score with a very tight pace and with always something interesting going on. Not only that, but so many cues flow into each other so well. Anyway, that's my input.

Fixed LOL! Jason you're funny.

Temple of Doom always was my favorite Indiana Jones score (and movie, btw, although some people will probably throw rotten eggs at me now for saying that). It always had the most frantic energy and the best renditions of the Raiders March within the score. When I had only heard the album and hadn't seen the movie yet (I was late in the game with the Indiana Jones movies) I thought the score was good but not much development. But then I heard all the unreleased score in the film... and I had a "holy cr*p" moment. The OST was missing more than all the best tracks! I acquired and created my own DVD rips of the unreleased material years ago when the DVDs came out and although the sound quality was sub-par, I listened to it more than most other soundtrack albums I owned! I didn't care, the music itself was of such a quality that it didn't matter. So when this set came out, even though I pretty much have heard all this unreleased music in another form (with some nice new exceptions), my feelings of the score were elevated only a little bit higher due to the boost in sound quality. Sure the set's representation of the score wasn't my ideal vision, but with about two weeks worth of tinkering and editing, I now have the score exactly the way I want it, with no major omissions in my mind. My old DVD rip set is pretty much thrown out the window. And now because the sound quality is so great for ALL the tracks I have grown to know and love, I play it EVERYWHERE. Even in my car. And if you have never listened to "Short Round Helps" (or in my case, the very end of my "Underground Chaos" edit) while zooming through tightly-cornered streets, then you have yet to live. So in short, yes, Temple of Doom is my favorite score.

Koray you are making me laugh my @$$ off right now!

I just think having something like a "*" to cover a letter in a word like sh*t is pointless. We all KNOW what the word is without the asterisk, it isn't going to stop anyone, or kids, from figuring it out. "But we don't want them to repeat it," they say. Well would you rather have them start saying "You piece of shstart!"? Kids will look at them not with shocked faces due to use of vulgar language, but shocked faces with "What the f*ck?!" expressions. They'll be laughed at. And in the end, they will be told what it REALLY means anyway, so they don't look like complete fools. My point is, why censor something that is inevitably going to be heard and told? I mean, just take a stroll down a busy neighborhood. It's part of people's natural vocab. And every time period seems to have its new ones, some nastier than others. And besides... if a PG rated film can say words like "d*mn" and "sh*t"... why can't a message board for fans of music? We're talking PG here... and if you are old enough to use a computer and post messages in a message board, then I hope to god you are old enough and mature enough to watch a PG movie...

And also, don't know if I mentioned, but I think I did a pretty good edit of "Water!" with "Sword Trick" with a DVD rip of "Bridge Percussion" with "Broken Bridge/British Relief", combined into one cue that I have renamed as: "Bid For Freedom". I gave the "Bridge Percussion" a boost and it sounds more vibrant than the usual straight DVD rip. PM me if you desire to hear the whole thing (and no I don't have my Bridge Percussion as a seperate file, I mixed it within the whole track, which, IMO, is the way it should be anyway. It's music that leads into the climax).

Well don't forget to PM me then, hehe. Really? I haven't heard her's yet I'll have to do so (or at least I don't believe I have). I forget if I ever showed you my new one, KM. It is a combo of the Concord Alt and just the last part of the film version. PM me if you want to hear it, because I think I sent you a different one before (just the film edit, which I also actually changed to fit your specifications, too.)

...so I could quote this one instead. oops, lol

I actually did an interesting edit of "Map/Out of Fuel". I guess it's a combo-edit of the Map section. I use the entire alternate of Map that appears on the CD instead of replacing the whole thing, I just added the last statement of the film version from the lego file onto it. The result? Virtually seamless, and now it's like you get the best of both worlds. Wanna see?