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I'm glad to finally be able to hear this entire score. I'm wondering, though, why the instrumental version of "If We Hold on Together" was not included? There was definitely enough room on the disc. It was released on a single (strangely) in Japan. (Photos by me.)

I am having difficulty identifying the sources of several jingles from three computer games by New World Computing (Macintosh versions only). I uploaded them all here: https://www.watzatsong.com/en/profile/xeenmusic I normally would not post a video game request here, but most (if not all) of the music was NOT composed for this game but tracked from official albums, usually classical but also soundtrack (such as from Willow). Though it is possible that some were composed directly for it (as is the case with the Introduction Theme for MM1 and MM2 (not included here). These games pre-date CD-Roms releases at least and it sounds as if some of them were recorded straight from LP Vinyl. Dates of releases: Might and Magic I (1987) Might and Magic II (1990) King's Bounty (1991) I would like to not only identify the song, but also the specific performance/recording of that particular song. UNIDENTIFIED: Death (KB) ? Encounter (KB) ? Encounter (MM2) ? King (KB) ? King (MM2) ? seems to be popular, also used in Herbert the Timid Dragon, 1985 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E3jkN2mAJw) at 1:34; longer version used in 1993 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sJ5Z0yxjIo), but it shows that it was clearly from another source. Might be stock music. No other leads... Treasure (KB) ? Treasure (MM1,MM2) ? Victory (KB) ? Victory (MM2) ? Most of the SFX from Might and Magic 4(1992) were taken from stock music CDs and then altered. I have all of the source data directly from the original music/sound designer, and this track is not part of his material. This makes me think that final game programmers took it from another source -- probably some stock music cd as midi is the format for all of the unique compositions. AhhAhh (MM4) ? At some point, a group of fans hacked one of the Might and Magic games and edited it in 1995. In the process, they added one unique composition to the game. I am not certain if they composed it themselves or tracked it from elsewhere as they were only hacking the game, and I have not been able to find any way to contact anyone from that project so far. Ending (SoX) ? ALREADY IDENTIFIED (mostly with help). (This gives a good sample of what years and which albums the programmers had on hand.): Blacksmith (MM1) Falla Con Misuras (Pleasures of the Royal Court, David Monrow, 1976) Combat (MM1) Candide Overture (Leonard Bernstine, 1964) Death (MM1) Ma tredol rosignol (In a Medieval Garden, Stanley Buetens, 1966) Encounter (MM1) Symphony No. 5 (Beethoven, Szell recording, 1966) Food (MM1) Tua Volsi Esser Sempre Mai (Pleasures of the Royal Court, David Monrow, 1976) Guild (MM2) Follow Me and Children's Chorus (Camelot Soundtrack, Frederick Lowe 1967) Inn (MM1,MM2) Ic draghe de mutse clutse (In a Medieval Garden, Stanley Buetens, 1966) King (MM1) Trumpet Concerto in D Major III Allegro Moderato (Fasch, Maurice Andre ver, 1968) Party (MM2) Toccato and Fugue in D Minor MWV 565 (Bach, Karl Richter version, 1965) Tavern (MM1) Trotto (In a Medieval Garden, Stanley Buetens, 1966) Training (MM1) Danse Bacchanale (Camille Saint-Saens, Ormandy recording, 1972) Temple (MM1) Pavana In Passe E Mezza (Pleasures of the Royal Court, David Monrow, 1976) Temple (MM2) Elora Danan (Willow Soundtrack, James Horner, 1988) Victory (MM1) Fanfare for the Common Man (Aaron Copland, Ormandy recording, 1965) Any help would be greatly appreciated!

I don't think any of them are OST titles. The cue titles usually are stored together in a single sequence. If something is an OST title, usually the OST track names are uploaded to the database at completely different times and therefore the cue listings would be located different. But how strange things are incorporated there, you never know. Also, I am surprised how many cues there are: 9M85INS means there is likely at least 85 cues. But, if you remove the untitled alternate cues, there are about 90 cue names left. So I do not see any reason why those titles would have been limited to the OST. Andrew

One note -- that list is not complete. There were about 5 titles (accidentally?) missing from the GEMA site. Admiral Holdo After the Big Explosion Ahch-To Island Big Fights The Cave Scene Codebreaker... Thief Come Closer, Child The Connection Crashing the Party The Emperor's Theme Encounter Before the Dream End Credit Pt. 2 End Credit Pt. 3 Rev End Credit Pt. 4 Fathiers Fathiers Charge! The Fathiers Fighter Down Fighting Together Finale Finale Pt. 1 Finn Fights Phasma Finn, Rose and Hux Finn's Attempted Sacrifice Follow Him Fun with Finn and Rose He's Insane Here They Come, Again Hoda's Resolve Holdo's Secret Plan Hux and Ren I'll Help You Important Scene Join Me Ladies Parting Lady Officer and Poe Conspire The Last Jedi Learning the Force Leia Saved! Leia Saved! Fix Lesson One Luke and Leia Together Luke and Rey Luke in the Falcon Luke's Breakfast Main Title and Escape Mechanical Trouble Mirror Scene More Fight Mutiny No Title 1M02A No Title 3M20INS2 No Title 3M22REV No Title 4M32INS No Title 4M32REV2 No Title 5M46INS No Title 7M67AINS No Title 9M85INS Old Books Party Music Place in the World Place to Place Poe Wakes Up Prep for Battle R.T. Shore Rescuing Luke Resistance Force Rey Awakens Rey Looks Rey Looks Back Rose and Finn Escape Rose Appears Rose Catches Finn Rose's Fathiers Rose's Turn Saving Leia Saying Goodbye to the Fathier Six Hours Left Star Wars: The Last Jedi Sun Shot Theme In Thought Connection To the Target Tossing the Saber Touch Traitor! Troops and Planes Watch the Language We Can Do This We Lose Girl Ace We Need a New Base We Need Your Help Welcome Poe and Hux What Cha Got? Working Switches Worst People in the Universe Yoda Insert Young Ren is Awakened

What is the bagpipe source track? That cue which was present when they were firing arrows at the Battle of Stirling? Andy

They probably just had one long source music track and used fragments from it in various portions. But since the so-called Ultimate Edition only had the film stems, then they would have used the portions of that source track which appeared in the scenes in the film. To my ears, it sounded the same but with the extra woodwinds.

Regarding employees -- I would suggest something. Find a Star Wars game with unreleased prequel music... Then track down the individual responsible for the music on facebook, another homepage, etc. and ask them if they had any. If you think this is futile, it is not. I wanted to track down as much information a series of videogames for my website at one time so that it could contain as much information about the world as possible. I went through EVERY single person in the credits to each game and tracked down each one individually (if possible) and asked them if they had anything left over from working ont he game. This was EXTREMELY fruitful. I ended up with much more than I ever expected -- I got complete verions of design documents, the actual 3d files used for many places in the games, many beta screenshots, hi-resolution videos (higher than the in-game quality), correspondenses bewteen team members, production artwork etc... (though I acquired different things from different people). Just thought I would encourage something to take the time to at least try.

Cue titles gradually seem to appear at BMI website. (Many more are there for all prequel movies than before.) BMI states that 4M1 is called "Start Your Engine" It is right about all the other cues, so I would assume it is right about this one. #4942472 The Race Begins #4942473 Start Your Engine #4942474 Anakin Defeats Sebulba Also, for later cue listings... (? means that the entry is currently missing from BMI) 4942486 The Gungans 4942487 Promoting Jar Jar 4942488 ? 4942489 ? 4942490 Take to Your Ships 4942491 ? 4942492 ? 4942493 The Big Army 4942494 The Duel Begins 4942495 ? 4942496 The Duel Continues

Thanks for the note on 5M7. For some reason I had accidentally removed it from my cue list (or never added it). I think that list for the Episode 1 is mostly correct though. But now that you mention that, I am wondering if any of the cue titles had been duplicated on the OST, if they simply extended them for that BMI list, not realizing that they were different tracks or something. As in, "The Arrival at Tatooine" was the original cue list, but when the OST came out, instead of creating a new entry, they simply tagged on "The Arrival at Tatooine and the Flag Parade". Otherwise, that list is definitely not from either the Ultimate Edition or the original OST, and they all come in movie order. Andy

I checked out: http://repertoire.bmi.com/ While it only lists cue titles which are copyrighted (does not seen to list most generic titles), it does give us a better idea of what the Star Wars Episode 1 cue list looks like (at least the number of cues for most of it, and does give some confirmation to some cue titles) Also, as least for Episode II, it does give some of the official track names to some of the TRACKED music cues. Showing that these were considered to be official tracks and were, at some point, given official titles. It also gives the official cue name for Episode III 6M5 as "Duel of Yoda and Sidious" I will upload my results (For episode 1, I only included cue titles that were verifiable by BMI -- while on Ep2 & Ep3 I only included the BMI number if those titles were listed on there). http://www.thezorkli...1%20(incomplete.txt) http://www.thezorkli...Episode%202.txt http://www.thezorkli...Episode%203.txt

From going through the cue lists... it seems that generic titles are not usually saved (I wonder if they are not allowed to be copyrighted???). But it seems that almost every title is either a title involving the name of a character or a line of dialogue directly from the movie.

I still think the dragon in Dragonheart is one of the best one CGI creatures. I am actually really surprised that not much compares to it even today. I would have thought the CGI would have leapt much further in bounds.

Don't forget the source: 2M2 La Gaviotas (The Seagulls) The Madacy Mariachi Band The Best of Mexico - 20 Great Favorites (NOTE: As both tracks appear on the same cd, the credits accidentally gave credit to "Que Milagros Chaparita" -- I believe that Goodmusician was the one who figured this out if I am not mistaken)

Not sure the exact source, but there are lots of deleted elements in the 'Shooting Script'. I also recall seeing an early animatronic for that scene, which I think was included in one of the documentaries.

Personally, I hope they include tracked music into the scores, but ONLY in the includes where it was pre-planned to be tracked. With the 'On the Conveyor Belt' cue -- was the music composed for that scene before or after the ridiculously stupid C3PO head nonsense made it clear that this movie had absolutely no redeemability? Andy

I'd really like to hear a concert suite of the Trade Federation March from TPM. So, I have a question after viewing the AOTC cue list. Were the following cues: 3M9, 5M4, 6M3, 6M4 pre-planned to be tracked music, or does it seem that Williams did in fact originally compose music for those tracks but they ended up not recording the music and using tracked music instead? Andy

Also, in addition to that ROTJ cue list, there would also need to know the true cue titles of 'Jedi Rocks' and 'Victory Celebration' for the Special Edition.

They did not have cue numbers?

I ripped Elite Squadron. There wasn't anything in there as far as I know, just recycled tracks from other games.

I saw that hyperspace cue list for Ep3 -- I don't believe that it listed ANY of the tracked music cues, including 1M1 and 1M2. But anyhow, I updated the lists with the Dex's Diner marked now.

This is what I come up with then: EPISODE II: ATTACK OF THE CLONES 20th Century Fox Fanfare 1M1 1:25 Main Title 1M2 1:27 The Arrival at Coruscant 1M3 3:45 Thwarted Attempt 1M4 1:18 The Meeting of Anakin and Padme 1M5 0:51 She Hardly Recognized Me 1M6 3:43 Zam's Dirty Trick 1M7A 3:32 Zam Chase Pt. 1 1M7B 3:09 Zam in Pursuit 2M1 3:58 Zam is Eliminated 2M2 4:32 Palpatine's Plotting 2M3 1:33 Departure 2M4 [uNKNOWN TITLE - DEX'S DINER (SOURCE)] 2M5 1:14 The Library Scene 2M6 3:43 Yoda and the Younglings 2M7 2:20 Approaching Naboo Palace 3M1 1:31 Finding Kamino 3M1 0:19 [uNTITLED - 3M1INSERT] 3M2 0:47 Visiting the Prime Minister 3M3 1:54 The First Kiss 3M4 1:45 Interior Tipoca City 3M5 2:26 The Meadow Scene 3M5R 2:27 The Meadow Scene (Rev.) 3M6 2:42 The Meeting with Fett 3M7 3:44 The Dinner Scene 3M8 2:34 Rainy Ramp and Anakin's Nightmare 3M9 1:28 [uNTITLED] 4M1 3:40 The Jango Fett Fight 4M2 0:43 Watto Describes Mothers Fate 4M3 2:15 The Spare Canister Caper 4M4 3:11 The Arrival at Tatooine 4M5 2:33 Obi-Wan Eavesdropping 4M6 2:39 Rescuing Mother 5M1A 1:43 Carrying Mother Home 5M1B 2:25 Anakin Changes 5M2 3:40 Smee's Funeral 5M3 1:00 The Commerce Guild Prepares for War 5M4 3:24 [uNTITLED] 5M5 1:32 Finding the Conveyor Belt 5M6 2:55 The Conveyor Belt 5M6 0:03 [uNTITLED - 5M6INSERT] 5M7 1:46 The Senate Scene 6M1 2:37 Love Pledge 6M2 0:06 Sweetener 6M3 4:55 [uNTITLED] 6M4 5:27 [uNTITLED] 6M5 2:02 Padme Falls 6M5 0:19 [uNTITLED - 6M5INSERT] 7M1 2:21 Dooku Versus Obi-Wan 7M2 2:18 Yoda Strikes Back 7M3 5:23 Finale 7M3 0:38 [uNTITLED - 7M3INSERT] 6:02 End Credits 6:02 End Credits - CD Version 6:02 End Credits - Gelb Version 5:38 End Credits - Updated Gelb Version EPISODE III: REVENGE OF THE SITH 1M1 [TRACKED -- 20th Century Fox Fanfare or Main Title??] 1M2 [TRACKED -- Main Title or War Drums??] 1M3 2:51 Boys into Battle 1M4 1:42 They're Coming Around 1M4A 2:06 "Get 'em, R-2!" 1M5 3:24 The Elevator Scene 1M6 0:45 Count Dooku's Entrance 1M7 2:14 The Death of Dooku 1M8 [TRACKED -- Going Down] 2M1 3:22 [uNTITLED -- Grievous and the Droids] 2M2 [TRACKED -- Coruscant's Warm Welcome] 2M3 0:35 Another Happy Landing 2M4 1:54 Revisiting Padme 2M5 1:49 Grievous Travels to Palpatine 2M6 5:40 Scenes and Dreams 2M7 1:31 Be Careful of Your Friend 3M1 4:10 Council Meeting 3M2 0:39 Hold Me 3M2A 1:35 Palpatine's TV Set 3M3 3:33 Palpatine's Big Pitch 3M4 [TRACKED -- Battle of Kashyyk] 3M5 2:30 Goodbye Old Friend 3M6 2:13 Going to Utapau 3M7 1:28 Riding the Lizard 3M8 0:15 Obi-Wan Faces Droids 4M1X 0:07 Drawing Swords 4M1 [TRACKED -- Fighting with Grevious] 4M1A 0:20 Good Guys Arrive 4M2 [TRACKED -- A Plot to Destroy the Jedi] 4M3 2:37 Palpatine's Seduction 4M4 0:54 Rolling with Grievous 4M4A 1:32 Fighting with Grievous 4M5 1:26 Dialogue with Mace 4M5A 1:20 Padme's Ruminations 4M6 6:40 I Am the Senate 5M1 1:51 Palpatine Instructs Anakin 5M2 [TRACKED -- Execute Order 66] 5M3 4:16 Lament 5M3A 0:30 Bail's Escape 5M4 2:39 Swimming, Droids and Yoda Farewell 5M5 2:00 News of the Attack 5M6 4:12 Moving Things Along 5M7 2:13 Anakin's Dark Deeds 6M1 4:58 It Can't Be 6M2 0:51 A Moody Trip 6M3 5:02 Padme's Visit 6M4 4:31 Heroes Collide 6M5new 1:27 Duel of the Fates (Choir Only) 6M6 0:50 Yoda Falls 6M7 2:04 The Boys Continue 6M8R 0:29 Yoda to Exile (Rev) 6M9 2:37 Revenge of the Sith 6M9 3:00 Revenge of the Sith (DVD Version) [battle of the Heroes?] 7M1 2:20 The Immolation Scene 7M2 2:01 Anakin Crawling 7M3 2:26 The Birth of the Twins 7M4 1:58 The Death of Padme 7M5 1:37 Plans for the Twins 7M6 1:07 Padme's Funeral 7M7 1:20 A Home for the Twins 7M8 11:00 End Credits

Two questions in regards to the cue sheets: Ep2-- Any idea about what 2M4 would have been? Ep3-- Is 1M1 Main Title (tracked) & 1M2 War Drums or was something else intended? Thanks, Andy

There is a new LEGO Star Wars game coming out in March.

Also, I imagine sometimes the cues won't line up completely because of a deleted second or two here and there (or longer) too in the dreaded post-edited process.

What about Daddy-O?