Admiral Holdo 16 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Yea, its basically an episode the show stretched to 2 hours. If it wasn't for the great score, I wouldn't have watched it as many times as I haveAn episode of... the show you admitted to not watching? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 I have a question. Which version of the film should I see? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 I have a question. Which version of the film should I see?I remember watching the "extended" TV version when it was on many years ago. Grant they showed unfinished shots for some scenes but it was good to watch. I like the Director's Cut but there's something about how some scenes were just ordered differently that I didn't like too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Holdo 16 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 The DE has the best pace, there's something vaguely resembling tension in the third act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 The DE has the best pace, there's something vaguely resembling tension in the third act.True and the improved special effects added a lot to it. I know some didn't like the new effects for the when it showed the transport shuttle carrying Kirk to Starfleet Headquarters. I for one did but the only thing I didn't like was the words "Starfleet Headquarters" then the given Stardate below.BTW got shipping notice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 I really want to see it, it sounds like a film I'll like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted June 5, 2012 Author Share Posted June 5, 2012 I have a question. Which version of the film should I see?The best version of the film IMHO is the Director's Edition, but that's only available on DVD, not blu ray. If HD is important to you, there's a nice remastered Blu Ray of the Theatrical Cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 The theatrical version is also available on DVD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted June 5, 2012 Author Share Posted June 5, 2012 Is it now? For almost a decade it was not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 If my memory serves, I bought it two years ago here in Spain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted June 5, 2012 Author Share Posted June 5, 2012 Ah. In the USA, I'm pretty sure the DC is all that's been available since 2001 until the Theatrical Cut came to blu in 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Maybe this is only available in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Holdo 16 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 It's on the DVD set too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted June 5, 2012 Author Share Posted June 5, 2012 It's on the DVD set too.What is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 If I'm not wrong, the set contains the six first films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted June 5, 2012 Author Share Posted June 5, 2012 Which set?Every box set I've ever seen in the USA has the DC version of the first film.The blu ray box set has the theatrical version, as I've mentioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Holdo 16 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Original-Collection-Undiscovered/dp/B002I9Z8I0/ref=sr_1_9?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1338931844&sr=1-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted June 5, 2012 Author Share Posted June 5, 2012 Aha, didn't realize they made a new box set identical to the blu ray box set but with DVDs inside. Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Is there any hope for the Director's Cut in Blu Ray? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted June 5, 2012 Author Share Posted June 5, 2012 When they made the DC in 2001, they rendered all the new special effects in 480p only. So until Paramount decides its worth their money to completely re-render all the new special effects at 1080p, it will never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 I'm sure it will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted June 5, 2012 Author Share Posted June 5, 2012 If it didn't happen right after the box office success of the 2009 reboot, I dunno what they are waiting for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 They were waiting for the score to be remastered. Paramount is investing heavily in upgrading TNG to High Def, so there is hope that they will focus their attention to TMP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 I've got the Director's Cut on DVD. The first disc only contains the main "Director's Cut" itself. Disc 2 contains scenes that were from the theatrical version as well as the extended TV version that didn't make it into the cut.The theatrical cut is only available on VHS and the Blu-Ray version of the film.BTW just as a little bit of info that Mike Matessino told me, he was the main supervisor who over saw the audio restoration for the "Director's Cut", including the score in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted June 6, 2012 Author Share Posted June 6, 2012 Trent, that is not a secret that Matessino told you. He has always been fully credited for work on that cut.And it's obviously listed on his website toohttp://www.mikematessino.com/projects/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 I honestly never knew it until he told me via email the other day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted June 6, 2012 Author Share Posted June 6, 2012 He's listed in the end credits of the film itself IIRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 and in the Expanded OST right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted June 6, 2012 Author Share Posted June 6, 2012 He did not work on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 I mean the 1CD expanded... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted June 6, 2012 Author Share Posted June 6, 2012 I knowhttp://www.mikematessino.com/projects/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 One thing I forgot to mention about the event last night was that we watched the "The Enterprise" scene without any music at all, and people couldn't help laughing. All the silent cuts between Shatner pretending to look at stuff and beautiful but redundant shots of the Enterprise...it was comedy gold, and really summed up for me why I don't like that film.But... that's because there wasn't music. It's a film that must have been conceived from the ground up with grand, extended musical sequences. Star Wars would be awful without a soundtrack too. How about the tractor beam sequence? It would be about as exciting as pulling your car into a parking garage. And yes, TMP takes its time a lot more than Star Wars does. I'm so glad it does its own thing rather than aping the most popular trends. It's nice that there was enough Star Wars-based pressure from producers to get the film off the ground, but not to shackle it artistically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Maybe, but the tractor beam sequence also has dialogue -- "that's no moon, it's a space station..." -- sound effects, and a few short edits instead of long sweeping pans to build the tension, and it doesn't last all of five minutes without anything else happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 That's only the closest comparison I could think of. Again, Star Wars is not the only best approach toward filmmaking, thankfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 There is no comparison. Henry B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 I have a question. Which version of the film should I see?The extended VHS version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 One thing I forgot to mention about the event last night was that we watched the "The Enterprise" scene without any music at all, and people couldn't help laughing. All the silent cuts between Shatner pretending to look at stuff and beautiful but redundant shots of the Enterprise...it was comedy gold, and really summed up for me why I don't like that film.But... that's because there wasn't music. It's a film that must have been conceived from the ground up with grand, extended musical sequences. Star Wars would be awful without a soundtrack too. How about the tractor beam sequence? It would be about as exciting as pulling your car into a parking garage. And yes, TMP takes its time a lot more than Star Wars does. I'm so glad it does its own thing rather than aping the most popular trends. It's nice that there was enough Star Wars-based pressure from producers to get the film off the ground, but not to shackle it artistically.Fair enough, although most of Star Wars wouldn't be awful without music. The music elevates the films, but the pacing is good, particularly in the OT. I appreciate the idea of TMP trying to do its own thing, but the pacing is just awful. Decent pacing isn't a trend, despite minor variations over the years...it's just a standard way of keeping the audience interested.TMP has some really remarkable visual effects, both for the Enterprise and for V'ger. But this is a case where less would have been more. Showing expansive shots of these cosmological wonders and intercutting with reaction shots with the crew is not a bad thing, but it loses all of its effectiveness once it's been going on for too long. And then you get to the next sequence that's like that, and you're already sick of it.The other problem with TMP is really, really hard for me to put my finger on, but it has something to do with the way the characters are written, directed, and performed. There's something about them that makes them feel very distant. I can't muster up any interest in what's going on with them. Despite the various problems that plague some of the later original cast films, this one is pretty much confined to TMP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted June 7, 2012 Author Share Posted June 7, 2012 I know exactly what you mean about the main cast's acting in the movie, Joe. Distant is a good word for it. I think the awful costumes didn't help make them feel comfortable in their roles either. Luckily the second film immediately rectified just about all the problems the first movie had, especially the acting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 No kidding...TWOK pretty much completely fixes all of the problems in TMP. While I can understand and appreciate that some people wish it hadn't taken the Trek films in a direction that was a little more action-adventure and a little less cerebral, there's no denying that it nailed the pacing and the human element in ways that TMP never comes close to achieving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 I agree with Joe too was the acting bit for why Star Trek TMP wasn't quite that great. The ONLY problem with The Wrath Of Khan was that Chekov wasn't in the original TOS episode "Space Seed". Otherwise The Wrath Of Khan remains my all time favorite Trek movie.Some speculated that when Khan was going through the files and such for the Enterprise he saw Chekov's face in the crew manifest. That's probably why he said, "I never forget a face, Mr......Chekov, isn't it?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 It's technically a mistake, but it never bothered me. Agreed about it being my all-time favorite Trek movie. There is no comparison! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 The ONLY problem with The Wrath Of Khan was that Chekov wasn't in the original TOS episode "Space Seed". Otherwise The Wrath Of Khan remains my all time favorite Trek movie.What about the "no smoking" sign on the bridge simulator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 I agree all the actors don't seem to inhabit their characters quite right in TMP. It's weird because it's the whole cast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Yeah, it permeates the whole film in a weird way. I could never quite put my finger on what's wrong, but it's definitely there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Sadly, its the only TOS film that had a semi-young looking cast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 The ONLY problem with The Wrath Of Khan was that Chekov wasn't in the original TOS episode "Space Seed". Otherwise The Wrath Of Khan remains my all time favorite Trek movie.What about the "no smoking" sign on the bridge simulator?That baffled me a bit who is to say that smoking was non existent in Kirk's time? Martia after all was smoking and offered Kirk it and he took it with out even coughing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Kirk likes to toke every now and then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTR1701 59 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 For those interested, there's going to be an outdoor screening of Wrath of Khan at 7th & Figueroa this coming Saturday @ 8:30 PM, with an appearance by Leonard Nimoy.http://filmguide.laf...ventNumber=5457 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ren 75 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Would love it if they did stuff like this on the east coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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