gkgyver 1,645 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Yeah, that Hugo thing still isn't apparent to me, except Bilbo's Antics theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Well alot of the riddles in the dark stuff, sounds very classical to me, I think thats what they might be talking about.also did anybody else catch the (I think,) Beethoven and Mozart "references" in the score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Not me, I'm not very familiar with Mozart or Beethoven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 To be honest me neither, but it sounds like one of the more famous of their pieces:Radagast The Brown at 2:39the beginning notes of: Azog's motif is similar to the opening notes of Beethoven's 5th if you play it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 If you play it right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 I don't hear those references at all to be honest, and frankly I don't think they exist.And if there is a reference with the Azog motif, it's likely a coincidence at best, consider that in itself is a permutation of the previously established Mordor Descending Third.Having said that, I think "Out of the Frying Pan" is one kick-ass cue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 And if there is a reference with the Azog motif, it's likely a coincidence at best, consider that in itself is a permutation of the previously established Mordor Descending Third.I think that is pretty much a given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 I've barely listened to this score since getting it, which is embarrassing. Out of the Frying Pan sounds good. I would give it 3 stars, but I expect that after listeing to it a bit more it will grow on me, so I gave it 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 If you play it right?Yeah as in, instead of playing a certain note as one note, playing it as two?(I am not musically trained, so I don't know if this is what is called doubling or not)Basically its the same notes.And I put "references" not references.Oh and its 2:39, not 2:30 like I posted earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Although this is veering off the Out of the Frying-Pan discussion Riddles in the Dark doesn't sound particularly Mozart or Beethoven at any point to me. I think it is a great way that Shore teases the listener with those near-quotes and subtle permutations of the History of the Ring, Pity and Menace of Gollum themes throughout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 I love how he threatens the Ring theme at 3:23 onwards.And the way he makes the theme a character, especially in the very beginning, when the theme sighs, like it's finally breaking free. Or a bit later, when the Ring is overjoyed to have a new bearer, and to possibly find its way out of the cave, and you hear the theme in an almost major moded way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Although this is veering off the Out of the Frying-Pan discussion Riddles in the Dark doesn't sound particularly Mozart or Beethoven at any point to me.Talk about misinterpretation!I never said that track sounded like M or B, I said it sounded "classical" (which is really just a the closest word I can think of to what I am trying to convey) which is not entirely the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Wasn't Mozart more Romantic then Classical? Really Faleel, you must learn to express yourself better.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Wasn't Mozart more Romantic then Classical? Really Faleel, you must learn to express yourself better....It was the other way around with Mozart and Beethoven was a composer on the watershed between Classical and Romantic but I am sure you knew that Stefan. But I still can't quite hear what Faleel calls "classical" in that particular cue although I have a pretty good idea what he means by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 I would need a Brain first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 It was the other way around with Mozart and Beethoven was a composer on the watershed between Classical and Romantic but I am sure you knew that Stefan. Beethoven was a dog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 And Mozart is the guy who invented the Austrian chocolate.Moron! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 One of my favorite tracks on the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Yes yes, but talk about how bad it is compared to LOTR! How Shore has lost it....How you cant go back....How PJ ruined everything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I find the Hobbit score to be just as good as the LOTR scores.PJ's a god among filmmakers!!!!!! crocodile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I just wish he'd get an editor who told him to stfu and have modesty enough to stick with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I find the Hobbit score to be just as good as the LOTR scores.In it's broad strokes yes. Though The Hobbit didnt have anything like The Breaking Of The Fellowship. But the next films will certainly give the opportunity to go deeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 In all honesty, the film doesn't have as much much meat on the bones. There's no real emotional stuff in it, really.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Yeah, that's the thing. I hope the next film changes that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Azog's motif is similar to the opening notes of Beethoven's 5th if you play it right.That really doesn't mean he was influenced by Beethoven... It means you are an alert listener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 No idea.It goes around three stars until the start of the happy fanfare (at that point in the score this type of music has managed to tire me a bit). From there to the end four or five. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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