#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Then you might as well close this whole forum.One could wonder if the lack of female filmscore fans and the lack of female filmscore composers have the same reason.We complain about Hollywood being a male dominated industry, but look at us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I won't try and say there's no such thing as a "glass ceiling" but... isn't it possible there just aren't as many women interested in being film composers as there are men? Not every imbalance has to be due to some kind of discrimination.We complain about Hollywood being a male dominated industry, but look at us?I, for one, am a female dominated industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,915 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Then you might as well close this whole forum.One could wonder if the lack of female filmscore fans and the lack of female filmscore composers have the same reason.We complain about Hollywood being a male dominated industry, but look at us?Probably the dumbest argument ever. Similar to saying since there is crime, we should not have law enforcement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 455 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I won't try and say there's no such thing as a "glass ceiling" but... isn't it possible there just aren't as many women interested in being film composers as there are men? Not every imbalance has to be due to some kind of discrimination.We complain about Hollywood being a male dominated industry, but look at us?I, for one, am a female dominated industry.If I was a big filmmaker, I would collaborate with female editors and composers. If Shirley Walker was still living, she would be my top choice to score my films. (And yes, I would pick her over Williams and Goldsmith in that regard.)It's all about that talent. There needs to be more equality in all career fields, not just the entertainment industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Then you might as well close this whole forum.One could wonder if the lack of female filmscore fans and the lack of female filmscore composers have the same reason.We complain about Hollywood being a male dominated industry, but look at us? Probably the dumbest argument ever. Similar to saying since there is crime, we should not have law enforcement. You obviously didnt get my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I won't try and say there's no such thing as a "glass ceiling" but... isn't it possible there just aren't as many women interested in being film composers as there are men? Not every imbalance has to be due to some kind of discrimination.And the reason for that might as well be some sort of discrimination, Women that don't do things because they've assimilated said things as not being for women. And the other way around too. Culture is powerful.Now let's look at Quint's interesting questions about trans women and film music (I didn't know Angela Morley was trans). People probably educated as men (since our society insists on treating men and women differently), who turned out to be women. So they might not have that inhibition from their time. I don't know any film composer who is a trans man.Among my friends interested in film and music, everybody seems to have a liking for film music regardless of gender, but no one to the level of detail as in this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,556 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 The best thing that Trevor Rabin could do is to re-join Yes, but I guess that Steve Howe wouldn't like that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 How about No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,556 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 What's wrong with Trevor Rabin in Yes? "Big Generator" is a great album, and so is "Talk". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Like most prog-rock (with the exceptions of Pink Floyd and King Crimson), Yes is nails on a chalkboard for me. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,556 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 It's horses for courses. Glad you like Crimson, though. Can't wait for the "The Road To Red" box... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 No love for "Roundabout?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Awful vocals, awful bass tone and awful synth solos. Sorry no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I won't try and say there's no such thing as a "glass ceiling" but... isn't it possible there just aren't as many women interested in being film composers as there are men? Not every imbalance has to be due to some kind of discrimination.And the reason for that might as well be some sort of discrimination, Women that don't do things because they've assimilated said things as not being for women. And the other way around too. Culture is powerful.No of course, that's entirely true. I was just playing a bit of devil's advocate.Awful vocals, awful bass tone and awful synth solos. Sorry no.I feel like Yes is an acquired taste, like ELP. If you can endure the usually cringey levels of pretentiousness, there's some good stuff to be found. Though Yes does suffer from some lackluster recordings. Floyd undoubtedly reigns supreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 ELP? I like ELO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I dislike both, though if I had to choose, I prefer ELO. Less keyboard wankery. Genesis is another band I can't get into, though I love a lot of Peter Gabriel's solo stuff, especially Security onwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 ELP? I like ELO.Emerson Lake and Palmer. I like ELO more though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I've never been able to find anything of substance in an ELP record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 My initial enjoyment came from the novelty of them playing around with Copland and Mussorgsky and whatnot. That wears off fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I prefer what David Shire did to Mussorgsky in Saturday Night Fever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Genesis was the first band I seriously got into, though that was the Collins years. As soon as I discovered the Gabriel years in college, I immediately changed allegiance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,526 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I like ALL of these bands and artists you're discussing. It's really my path into film music.I dig Rabin's work for Yes, for example, like the TALK album which was basically his baby (includes a guest appearance/songwriting credit by Roger Hodgson too, the former lead singer and writer of my favourite band Supertramp). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Oh God... Supertramp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,526 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 He, he...not a fan, are you?That's fine. They're still the best art rock band ever.As it happens, Rabin also returned the favour by playing/singing/co-writing on Roger Hodgson's last solo album OPEN THE DOOR (hard to believe it's been, like 13 years already!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 They're still the best art rock band ever.No, that would be Roxy Music.Not that I'm a massive fan of the genre, mind. More of a new wave/post-punk guy myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,526 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 They're still the best art rock band ever.No, that would be Roxy Music.Not that I'm a massive fan of the genre, mind. More of a new wave/post-punk guy myself.Well, there's definitely some good stuff there too. Oingo Boingo is my favourite -- for obvious reasons. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 They're still the best art rock band ever.No, that would be Roxy Music.Not that I'm a massive fan of the genre, mind. More of a new wave/post-punk guy myself. Well, there's definitely some good stuff there too. Oingo Boingo is my favourite -- for obvious reasons.Of course. I like Oingo, but I prefer Devo myself. Other favourite bands from that era are The Stranglers (Hugh Cornwill era only), The Fall, The Cars, Ultravox, Joy Division/New Order, PSB, Scars, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, XTC, Art of Noise, Frankie, Tangerine Dream, Killing Joke, Talking Heads, Propaganda, Blondie, Ian Drury & The Blockheads, New York Dolls, Television, PiL etc.Great period in pop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,526 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Loads of great stuff in that list. Have you seen the documentary URGH! A MUSIC WAR?. Here are my thoughts:http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=8369&forumID=1&archive=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 This was about women! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 This was about women!How many women do you think have been in this forum, more or less? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Posting or lurking?Around 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 FSM stole our women! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Dey took our chicks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 I thought I heard the lamentations of the women.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 More examples of the insistent and institutionalized portrayal of women as property, to be won or bought.Hollywood still lives in the Dark Ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 You serious? Conan was set in a fictitious prehistory, while the Blues Brothers were simply trying to be annoying and insulting. Neither film, thirty years old now, purported to be a social commentary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Yet the Conan quote still lives on in popular culture! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Backpedaling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 No, you are, believing a pair of 1980s flicks represents modern Hollywood values towards women. When people ask you how you're doing, do you hand them a baby picture with a luscious head of hair and say you can't wait for your first tooth to appear? Or do you talk about something current? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 The fact that in a 2013 discussion about female composers, someone posts two Youtube clips from the 80's because he thinks it's somehow relevant to the tone of the discussion means there is still a lot of progress to be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Well just don't blame Hollywood for the present plight of women based on generation old movies. Otherwise you'll be citing Schindler's List for contemporary treatment of Jews and recommending Gone with the Wind for anyone who visits the South.At least we're back to talking about women instead of men wearing panties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Trannies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Yet the Conan quote still lives on in popular culture!As an example of absurd dialogue, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,556 Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 They're still the best art rock band ever.No, that would be Roxy Music.Not that I'm a massive fan of the genre, mind. More of a new wave/post-punk guy myself. Well, there's definitely some good stuff there too. Oingo Boingo is my favourite -- for obvious reasons.Of course. I like Oingo, but I prefer Devo myself. Other favourite bands from that era are The Stranglers (Hugh Cornwill era only), The Fall, The Cars, Ultravox, Joy Division/New Order, PSB, Scars, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, XTC, Art of Noise, Frankie, Tangerine Dream, Killing Joke, Talking Heads, Propaganda, Blondie, Ian Drury & The Blockheads, New York Dolls, Television, PiL etc.Great period in pop.Some truly great stuff in there, Prom. "Do It Yourself" is fantastic.XTC rule!!! Never has a band produced such consistently great stuff. From the first album to "Apple Venus vol 2", the quality never let up.Not many people even admit to liking Pet Shop Boys, so...well done. They are one of my top-5 bands. "Behaviour" is a beautiful record.Which era TD do you like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Not many people even admit to liking Pet Shop Boys, so...well done. They are one of my top-5 bands. "Behaviour" is a beautiful record. Indeed. Though my personal favourite is Very. I Wouldn't Normally Do This Kind Of Thing is one of the greatest love songs ever written. Which era TD do you like? Probably Phaedra to Exit. BTW, I forgot to mention Talk Talk. Another of my favourites from that era. Favourite record? Colour of Spring. The Party's Over pretty one note and a bit too Flock of Seagulls/Tears for Fears at times, but Mirror Man's terrific. Love the string arrangement. I also like Simple Minds before they went all MOR stadium rock. Hunter and the Hunted from their debut is a classic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyZVsy2KeWY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,556 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 "Very" is good, but "Relentless" is better!Yay, "Exit", my all-time fave TD record (closely followed by "Logos", and "Le Parc")! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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