KK 3,307 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 New year, new ideas, new music! Lots to look forward to, but lets begin, as always, by summing it up for the uninitiated: The Composers Challenge is an initiative designed to help emulate the experience of a film composer for participants. Through a long process, the composer is given a clip and asked to score it. His/her music is then passed along a panel of adjudicators made up of prominent film music critics, composers and other professionals in the industry. The work is then reviewed and feedback is offered. The scores from the panel are then tallied up to set a victor to the competition. It’s a process in which every composer learns and an experience from which all participants have something to take out of. When a musician is asked about creationism, Hadyn’s iconic The Creation is immediately quoted. And while its easy to list a bunch of oratorios, and other religiously-themed pieces of music, the idea of creation is something that’s manifested itself all across the different eras of orchestral music. The idea behind this challenge is to see how the idea of creation inspires you. You will be scoring the famous creation sequence from The Tree of Life (popularly known for using the Lacrimosa movement from Zbigniew Preisner’s Requiem for my Friend). The aim is to challenge participants to think beyond the conventions of typical film scoring, and explore their style along the lines of what we hear in concert music today; music that speaks more for itself than relying on the visuals to tell its story. Here is the clip to score: You’ll be given approximately 2 months to score this clip. Tentative Deadline: Friday March 21, 2014 The members of the adjudicators’ panel will be revealed over the course of the week. In the meantime, let’s brush up on what to do, shall we? INSTRUCTIONS: 1) Email me at kkalaisan@hotmail.com to let me know you’re interested in participating in the challenge. 2) Score the clip and email me the piece (approximately 5 min) by the deadline. 3) Wait patiently for more news. Check email or this site for updates on a regular basis. I hope to see many familiar names and many new candidates to return for what will be a cool new chapter to the Composers Challenge. For any questions or inquiries, please feel free to send an email to kkalaisan@hotmail.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,540 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share Posted January 27, 2014 Who knows, maybe we'll have the Big Z come over For people who took that seriously, I'm afraid I was joking, there's no chance of that really happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 5,977 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Incanus and KK 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share Posted January 27, 2014 I fully expect TGP, gkgyver, filmmusic, tannhauser and others who expressed interest in this to sign up by the way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 5,977 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Better version: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,784 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Faleel it is Kalaisan not Kalasian! KK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 2,128 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 I fully expect TGP, gkgyver, filmmusic, tannhauser and others who expressed interest in this to sign up by the way!I wish I could do it because it's something that really interests me ( i LOVE that scene), but I'm even busier than last year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share Posted January 27, 2014 LOL! Even I failed to notice that!!Thanks Mikko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,784 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 LOL! Even I failed to notice that!!Thanks Mikko Brains usually auto-correct small mistakes like that and you become blind to them, especially you read quickly. But I have the ears of an eagle and eyes of a bat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share Posted January 27, 2014 I fully expect TGP, gkgyver, filmmusic, tannhauser and others who expressed interest in this to sign up by the way!I wish I could do it because it's something that really interests me ( i LOVE that scene), but I'm even busier than last year! Are you fully booked till March/April? We might be able to work something out (PM me, or email me).If not, then there's always next time!LOL! Even I failed to notice that!!Thanks Mikko Brains usually auto-correct small mistakes like that and you become blind to them, especially you read quickly. But I have the ears of an eagle and eyes of a bat! Sounds like the perfect superhero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 5,977 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Whew! I am glad I saved a project file!Final? KK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 2,128 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 I fully expect TGP, gkgyver, filmmusic, tannhauser and others who expressed interest in this to sign up by the way!I wish I could do it because it's something that really interests me ( i LOVE that scene), but I'm even busier than last year! Are you fully booked till March/April? We might be able to work something out (PM me, or email me).If not, then there's always next time! Υes. I don't even have time to do the things I'm supposed to do now and I'm in a lot of pressure.(morning till noon/afternoon I work in primary school, and later in the day I'm supposed to finish my dissertation which is urgent, but the school thing is exhausting!! First time i work full time.)When will be the next time?I believe once summer comes in I will have finished with my current obligations.Although I really would like to do this creation scene.. It's inspiring...Do you have any idea what will the next one be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share Posted January 27, 2014 That sucks, we'll let me know if things ever actually free up. I thought you would appreciate this one. The next challenge at earliest will be at July, latest, August.The theme is still being determined (a couple of ideas are being played with), if you have any suggestions, feel free to send them over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,540 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 If you're gonna do this, at least do it properly! KK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 5,977 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 You call that proper? that looks nothing like K.K.! that looks more like Inky!And Bleeding Fingers has no affiliation with the Composer's Challenge!(though, I am wondering, how did you get the background too looks so good? I had to erase the Bleeding Fingers logo..) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,540 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 You call that proper? that looks nothing like K.K.! that looks more like Inky!Nope. That's just Gandalf the White with a hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share Posted January 27, 2014 Arghh, so many options!! BloodBoal wins for now, only cause he's got my full name on there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 5,977 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Perhaps, K.K. and Inky merged?New theme: "K.K. the White in Inky". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,540 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 "K.K. in Inky"... Hehehe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,784 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 "K.K. in Inky"... Hehehe... K.K.+ Inky = Kinky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 5,977 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Not to be outdone without a "fight"... KK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 I fully expect TGP, gkgyver, filmmusic, tannhauser and others who expressed interest in this to sign up by the way!Tentatively sign me up, even though I didn't know I expressed my interest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share Posted January 27, 2014 "K.K. in Inky"... Hehehe... K.K.+ Inky = Kinky.The 6th, unnamed member of the Istari? Not to be outdone without a "fight"...I like it! I fully expect TGP, gkgyver, filmmusic, tannhauser and others who expressed interest in this to sign up by the way!Tentatively sign me up, even though I didn't know I expressed my interest Well, you're a regular, so you were included by default Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,784 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 I fully expect TGP, gkgyver, filmmusic, tannhauser and others who expressed interest in this to sign up by the way!Tentatively sign me up, even though I didn't know I expressed my interest Well, you're a regular, so you were included by default Yeah better start writing Georg! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,236 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Oh my.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Writing? That's so old school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share Posted January 27, 2014 Pencil and paper? Ha! THIS is what music looks like today! For all the cool people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Incanus 5,784 Posted January 27, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2014 Writing? That's so old school.Just keep the pencil moving! I demand KK to disqualify anyone daring to use programmes with coloured bars in them to compose for this competition. Notes, black dots on white sheet music, that's the way to go! Gnome in Plaid, KK and wanner251 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,236 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Does that mean we can submit scores, and the judges will be using the most complex DAW of them all, their brains? Incanus and wanner251 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 5,977 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 He said you could not compose with a program, he did not say you could not use a program to make a mockup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share Posted January 27, 2014 As much as I'd love for it to be a score-based competition, that in itself is a lot harder to facilitate as a whole. Up till now, people have submitted mockups of their compositions, and this will apply to this round as well. Perhaps in the future, things may change.Think of it this way. Film music critics write their reviews based on the music they hear on album and in film, not by studying the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,784 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 He said you could not compose with a program, he did not say you could not use a program to make a mockup Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share Posted January 27, 2014 Haha, oops, I missed Incanus' post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,236 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 I know I was just being a little jokey. So when I saw the "Creation" subtitle I thought, huh, how neat would it be if it's the sequence from The Tree of Life? That's right up my abstract, symbolist alley. Lo and behold.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share Posted January 27, 2014 Yeah, I realized that a bit late!And I knew this clip would appeal to you Remember to send me an email if you're interested in participating! It's how I keep track of everyone who's in, and how I keep contact with you for updates and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,236 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 I'll do that right now. Will make a titanic effort to do this, even if I have to create a pocket universe where time flows independently of our own. KK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 I keep thinking of the Silmarillion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 5,977 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 "Behold your music!""Eä! let these things be!"That would be an interesting challenge: To score a scene in any book/script without a clip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,236 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share Posted January 27, 2014 We did a challenge where everyone had to write an overture to the film Spartacus. The music was attached to the main titles sequence, but didn't have to sync up with it.Doug Adams was on the panel for that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,236 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Noooo, I missed my chance to score Kubrick. =( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 5,977 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 I have to admit, that that challenge bugged me a bit, wouldn't it have made more sense, to have scored the actual overture, instead of the main title?It would have had better results, I should think, instead of having contestants scoring the Universal Logo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share Posted January 27, 2014 The main titles were irrelevant. We could have just put a 8 minute title card there, and it would have made no difference, it'd just look more boring.People largely wrote their music independent of the sequence, but to the length of the video. They weren't really "scoring" the main titles, if you get what I mean.Noooo, I missed my chance to score Kubrick. =(Well, it wasn't real Kubrick anyway.Think of this challenge as your chance at scoring 2001 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 5,977 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 People largely wrote their music independent of the sequence, but to the length of the video. They weren't really "scoring" the main titles, if you get what I mean.I get what you are saying, I just don't think you entirely succeeded. Otherwise the one contestant would not have used scored the Universal logo with Goldsmith's theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,236 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 KK, this is of course your competition, but I'm wondering why you had the video cut off where it did. Watching the original sequence, it seems like a more natural end comes with the shot of the newly formed planet eclipsing the galaxy behind it, before the lava eruptions. Just a suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share Posted January 28, 2014 I used the Lacrimosa music as a cue of where this particular sequence starts and ends. Since the music ends there, that's where I assume this "montage" ends before the film moves on to the next phase of creation.Of course, understanding how it ends kind of abruptly, feel free to add up to 10 seconds (but not a second more) to the ending where the clip can just fade to black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,236 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Fair enough. Looks like my entry may end up being part of a longer piece! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 The main titles were irrelevant. We could have just put a 8 minute title card there, and it would have made no difference, it'd just look more boring. People largely wrote their music independent of the sequence, but to the length of the video. They weren't really "scoring" the main titles, if you get what I mean. I did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,236 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 The amount that this is tickling my brain is really enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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