BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 You created this thread 5 days ago, and you said it was moved quickly after being created and that you realized that immediatly, so why are you talking about yesterday? You're not making any sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 Oh stop it you!This is obviously a film music related thread! And it should not have been moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 IT WAS NOT MOVED! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 It was not moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 It was in other topics section the other day.Thanks for the videos Stefan. FOTR is the only obe I've not seen yet.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 It was created in and always was in OT until I just moved it to GD now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Please move this thread to The Marketplace where it belongs. Bilbo and Koray Savas 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 Oi!One thing lacking from the otherwise excellent concert was a program booklet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Wow I would have loved to seen this. Legendary orchestra in a legendary space playing legendary music.But what's with that seating arrangement??? Unacceptable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 What do you mean? The seats me and my sister had were perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 No, the seating of the orchestra! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 Whats wrong with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Horns and trumpets/trombones/tuba should have a much wider gap between them, the basses should be on the left where the harp/celesta are, and don't even get me started on the rest of the strings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 Well considering this is the Concertgebouw, one of the 3 best and famous venues for orchestral music I am pretty sure they have their seating arrangement very well sorted.Nothing is left to chance in their preservation of perfect acoustics, the hall doesn't even have a sprinkler system.Actually checked some pictures of the Royal Concert Gebouw Orchestra, the basses seem to be on the right in all of them. So I'm guessing that's their preferred set up.[edit] just checked my pics of the BPO concert I attended. Again basses on the right.Isnt that pretty standard for a symphony orchestra? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Oh, yeah it's standard, but inferior!Shore uses the older seating arrangement, with the basses and first violins on the left, the second violins on the right, the celli in the left-center, and violas in the right-center. It's integral to the sound of his scores, and in my humble opinion is the ideal orchestral layout. Agrees with my ears far more than having the violins all lumped together.It's ultimately the conductor's choice, which is why it's surprising that here they haven't ventured to preserve the aesthetic of the original recordings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 But the original recording featured all the choir and solo stuff recorded separately, probably many of the other parts as well.You can't really compare that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Yeah the choir/vocalists/soloists were sometimes overdubbed, but the core orchestral group was always in the room together. The point is that Shore has talked about using specific orchestral seating as an important aesthetic choice in crafting the scores, so I just think that should be honored. It really isn't difficult at all to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 Meh. Apples and oranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 I really don't agree, but fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 Shore is very sensitive to both the orchestra and the recording venue he is using. What might work for the NPO and that cathedral may not work as well for another group and venue.Also the films dialogue and SFX are playing with the orchestra. There's only so much details you can pick up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Ok! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Meh.Apples and oranges.That's a pretty good analogy, actually. Can you imagine if a fruit seller put apples and oranges on the left, the strawberries on the right, the pineapples in the left-center, and cherries in the right-center? Yeah, you'd go bananas if you saw that! Koray Savas and Gnome in Plaid 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 Yay! I won!Shore is the first composer who i heard talking about the venue being an influence on how he writes a score or groups his instruments. Quite fascinating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Yeah, sure you win haha.I just don't actually care much/didn't expect to have such a protracted discussion about my orchestral seating preferences.If you'd like me to care, I'll ask you who/what the NPO is, what cathedral you are talking about, and if the fact that dialogue/sound effects sometimes cover up the score means we should stop giving a damn at all how about a score's recording sounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 It would not be genuine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Horns and trumpets/trombones/tuba should have a much wider gap between them, the basses should be on the left where the harp/celesta are, and don't even get me started on the rest of the strings!It's a Dutch setup!Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Those Dutch scum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 No its not, you Polish person! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 JunkieXL likes that seating arrangement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,360 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Cookie Cutter seating arrangments now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 13, 2014 Author Share Posted July 13, 2014 By the way, I noticed a difference between the LOTR Symphony and the FOTR live to projection concerts.In the performance of the symphony I saw in Belgium years ago the solo vocal part of Khazad Dum, after Gandalf's fall was sung by the boy soprano, but in last weeks concert it was done by the female soloist.Is this standard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 No, I think these things change from concert to concert. Same thing happened with The Matrix, for example. It Stuttgart they had female soloist, in Krakow - two boy sopranos.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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