nja 0 Posted December 29, 2003 Share Posted December 29, 2003 The real point of this article is not LOTR, but the tendency of some to manufacture issues into stories where they do not exist. It happens with SW, The Matrix and sadly a lot of other stuff. The article:The deep thinkers at Indymedia have come to the conclusion that the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy paints a "racist stereotypical tapestry" that does a disservice to young viewers everywhere.Lloyd Hart says people of color are all associated with the Dark Lord Sauron in the movie and the elephant-riding mercenaries too closely resemble the cultures of Africa, Persia and East Asia. The Uruk-hai also too closely resemble Native Americans, which is sure to cause "a great deal of cultural and racial alienation."The fact that King Theoden, a white guy, calls his troops the "great warriors of the West" clinches it in Hart?s eyes."Can you imagine how people of skin color, of Persian, Arab and East Asian ethnic background feel when they come out of these films where all the heroes are white and all the 'evil doers' are of dark skin," Hart writes.Hopefully this will avoid a lockdown. If not, I'll deal with it (in the resignation sense of the word). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishCal24 0 Posted December 29, 2003 Share Posted December 29, 2003 The Uruk-hai also too closely resemble Native Americans, which is sure to cause "a great deal of cultural and racial alienation. Now that's a racist comment based on this guy's on pre-conceived stereotypes! "Hey pot, this is kettle."Not once have I ever thought that about the Uruk-Hai and, if it weren't so damned stupid, I might find the comment insulting as I have fair amount of Comanche, Apache, and Cherokee ancestory myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted December 29, 2003 Share Posted December 29, 2003 This is so goddamn funny! LOL LOLIt's like those morons burning Harry Potter books because they'd be promoting witchcraft. What an assholes. LOL- Marc, who laughs at these silly persons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 29, 2003 Share Posted December 29, 2003 The deep thinkers at Indymedia have come to the conclusion that the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy paints a "racist stereotypical tapestry" that does a disservice to young viewers everywhere.How young, aren't these films rated PG13?Lloyd Hart says people of color are all associated with the Dark Lord Sauron in the movie and the elephant-riding mercenaries too closely resemble the cultures of Africa, Persia and East Asia.The are not Elephant's, they are Oliphaunts. The Uruk-hai also too closely resemble Native Americans, which is sure to cause "a great deal of cultural and racial alienation."Did native americans have Cockney accents then?No wonder they were slaughtered by Custer.The fact that King Theoden, a white guy, calls his troops the "great warriors of the West" clinches it in Hart?s eyes.TO DEATH!!!"Can you imagine how people of skin color, of Persian, Arab and East Asian ethnic background feel when they come out of these films where all the heroes are white and all the 'evil doers' are of dark skin," Hart writes.Aren't white people often cast as dumb villians in Asian films. Frankly i'm glad they did not include a Token black Hobbit to please the "sensitive" crowd.The racially mixed lost boys in Hook were bad enough.Stefancos- :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted December 29, 2003 Share Posted December 29, 2003 I thought only Aragorn called his troops "Men of the West".- Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPFAN_2 0 Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 I'm a person of "Color" and i'm not offended. Damn these people and there haphazard propositions and presumptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 Everyone is a person of color. White people ain't white, dammit, they are Tanbark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 Only a white guy could have come up with this load of crap.- Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 I think this thread treads to close to the issues we avoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam 1 Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 The thread title, "Get a Life", is what got my attention. The assumption seems to be that if you're talking about a movie from the point of view of its score, CGI, etc., etc. than you're like us and you have a life. However, if you falsely connect the movie with an issue of actual social significance you need to "Get a Life". I don't think any of us who have posted on this board very often (myself included) are in a good position to tell someone to "Get a Life" without opening ourselves up to the charge of hypocricy. At least that's my take on it.- Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 And Adam...my words to you areGET A LIFE, SON!!That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 Isn't Saramun the White white? And the Nazgul were white kings weren't they? And the barbarian tribes? Supposed to be like white Viking hordes. And Gollum! And Voldemort! And Umbridge! And, .... oh..... sorry..... I think I switched films Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam 1 Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 And Adam...my words to you areGET A LIFE, SON!!That is all.Is this your idea of a clever retort? - to warmly embrace your own hypocracy? Perhaps I'm missing something.- Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nja 0 Posted December 30, 2003 Author Share Posted December 30, 2003 I don't think any of us who have posted on this board very often (myself included) are in a good position to tell someone to "Get a Life" without opening ourselves up to the charge of hypocricy.- AdamHate to break it to you, but there's a lot of crazy people in this world who need to get a life. I don't see how you could defend the bloaks at Indymedia; I think they're way off base.Regarding those who post on JWFN . . . sorry I'm just not seeing the connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPFAN_2 0 Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 And Adam...my words to you areGET A LIFE, SON!!That is all.Is this your idea of a clever retort? - to warmly embrace your own hypocracy? Perhaps I'm missing something.- AdamLETS GET READY TO RUUUUMMMMBBBLLLEEEE!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 And Adam...my words to you areGET A LIFE, SON!!That is all.Is this your idea of a clever retort? - to warmly embrace your own hypocracy? Perhaps I'm missing something.- AdamI think it was an attempt at humor...but I could be wrong. Best to just ignore it.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 Is this your idea of a clever retort? - to warmly embrace your own hypocracy? Perhaps I'm missing something.Nah, it was a stupid retort. And here's what you're missin': a sense of humor. Lighten up, bud!What'd I tell ya? I don't get no respect. No respect at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam 1 Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 Is this your idea of a clever retort? - to warmly embrace your own hypocracy? Perhaps I'm missing something.Nah, it was a stupid retort. And here's what you're missin': a sense of humor. Lighten up, bud!What'd I tell ya? I don't get no respect. No respect at all...I don't think I should be blamed for failing to appreciate your "stupid retort", as you refer to it. I have a sense of humor but, like most people, its more likely to respond to clever than "stupid". Your reply came across as rude so I responded going on how I interpreted it and acknowledged I might be missing something. If that wasn't what you intended than I stand corrected and hope that in the future you won't use such cryptic humor so as not to create confusion. And there was no disrespect intended so your self-pity is not really warrented in this case.- Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 Whatever. You're the chief, Chief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam 1 Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 I don't think any of us who have posted on this board very often (myself included) are in a good position to tell someone to "Get a Life" without opening ourselves up to the charge of hypocricy.- AdamHate to break it to you, but there's a lot of crazy people in this world who need to get a life. I don't see how you could defend the bloaks at Indymedia; I think they're way off base.Regarding those who post on JWFN . . . sorry I'm just not seeing the connection.My defense of the "bloaks at Indymedia" is the same defense I would give to someone at the opposite political spectrum. Namely that just because someone expresses an idea that is "way off base" doesn't mean they need to get a life. When I read what Lloyd Hart at Indymedia said, I consider the analysis, decide if I think its valid and even if I disagree, I can still appreciate hearing the perspective. Its only a movie, after all - he’s not attacking my soul. It would not occur to me to tell him to get a life. I don't know him and if somebody thinks a movie has negative social implications, I'd like to hear it. Maybe there's something for us to learn. If not, no harm done.What is the connection to us? We give analysis all of the time, on matters that are completely trivial. Even when analysis seems "off-base" I would never tell someone here to “get a life”, especially since I don’t know anybody here. We all have legitimate reasons for posting our thoughts and we don't have to defend that to anybody. At the same time, I try to have enough self-awareness to realize there's at least a hundred more important things that I could be doing right now and I also try to recognize what our discussion looks like to most people, many of whom might think something along the lines of this thread title with regard to discussion about obscure composers, movies, etc. As such, in the case that you've raised, I think we’re in a weak position to be telling him to get a life. You see a bigger distinction? - Ok, no big deal.- Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPFAN_2 0 Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 Damnit! I thought i was going to see a fight. Damn you civilty and maturity for corrupting the members of this board! HPFAN_2-Kidding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 Right on HPFAN 2 K.M.Who doesn't have much of a life right now anyways.K.K.M.Wondering why HPFAN 2 is not HPFAN 1 or just HPFAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 I have a problem taking anyone seriously who hops on the PC bandwagon, hollerin' "RACIST!" just so they can hear themselves holler. Most of the time, they're full of it, and they're crusading for something that just won't make that much of a frickin' difference when put in practice. They're naive. They think they should be able to live life as a thin-skinned moron acting like a victim all their lives just so they can boss people around via courts and get rich without working for their living. They make other people earn the money so they can sue and win big. They're like parasites.Now, everybody's not like this. Some are legitimately scared that some of the racially-inspired atrocities of history could be repeated without their efforts to educate or scrutinize over what's acceptable in race relations and what's not. I don't think Lloyd Harry (or whatever his name was) is out for money, but I can't believe he's actually concerned that LotR is propigating anti-Semitism or Western-supremacy. While I did pick up on Theoden's quote about the West, I wasn't offended or inspired by it. IT WAS A FRICKIN' FANTASY MOVIE! For one thing, I don't think many of the people who saw the movie were smart/alert enough to make a connection between Middle Earth and the earth we live in. If it weren't for the Holocaust, nobody would care what Lloyd says. But since that's not how history happened, then jokers like him can play off the fear that LotR might cause someone to take a shot at wiping out the Arabs and Indians (both Native and Asian) like Hitler tried with the Jews. Most people are going into the movie wanting to get 3.5 hours of dumb entertainment out of it, not some sort of motivation to go wipe out a race or two of people different from them. I know that's what I went into it wanting and that's what I got out of it. To me, there's just not any reason to think a lot about whether or not he's got legitimate points and concerns, because they're so nutty. It's like saying Indiana Jones encourages cruelty against cows because he uses a whip. Sure, you can see where a person could think that, but it's the fact that they actually took the idea seriously instead of just writing it off that makes it hard for me to consider what they're saying. Honestly, I figured someone would pick up on Theoden's line or I was surprised they got away with it, but I wrote the idea off and got back to the rip-offs of Braveheart and The Empire Strikes Back they were showing at the time. I don't think I'm any worse off for it and I don't feel like it's my duty to go out and gripe about it because I'm afraid that people might take it the wrong way. As a matter of fact, I don't think they will take it the wrong way. I have a hard time seeing how anyone could, which is why I think that Lloyd is either not really concerned with the implications from the movie or he's an escaped mental patient/project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPFAN_2 0 Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 Right on HPFAN 2 K.M.Who doesn't have much of a life right now anyways.K.K.M.Wondering why HPFAN 2 is not HPFAN 1 or just HPFANI was HPFAN but i forgot my password and i tried to get it back but it never worked so i had to make a new account. WHALLA HPFAN_2 is born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 WHALLA HPFAN_2 is born. I always crack up when I see "vóila" typed that way.Neil - not quite certain if he got the accent right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPFAN_2 0 Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 WHALLA HPFAN_2 is born. I always crack up when I see "vóila" typed that way.Neil - not quite certain if he got the accent right :cry: You idiot how could you spell it wrong! banghead SHAME SHAME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 It's spelled "voilá", not "vóila".- Marc, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 No it's spelled...*looking for accent keys on his keyboard*... well Voila ,and the accent on the "a" goes upwards towards the left,not the right.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin 2 Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 You idiot how could you spell it wrong! SHAME SHAME! Stop WHALLAwing in misery. Justin -Not good at spelling either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 Hey, at least I was in the right ballpark and readily admitted I wasn't sure about the accent. I do know for a fact thought that it's not "walla", "whalla" or "viola".Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted January 1, 2004 Share Posted January 1, 2004 No it's spelled...*looking for accent keys on his keyboard*... well Voila ,and the accent on the "a" goes upwards towards the left,not the right.Shit! You're right. I was so sure it's "voilá". And I have to do French exam next year. Shame on me. Well, voilà then.- Marc, hoping such discussions will be gone once we get some new Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 1, 2004 Share Posted January 1, 2004 Were stretching old topics as far as they'll go..K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBL 0 Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 Hey, at least I was in the right ballpark and readily admitted I wasn't sure about the accent. I do know for a fact thought that it's not "walla", "whalla" or "viola".NeilYour french is quite fine indeed... Now, lesson2: how do you spell "menage a trois" with the right accents ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 Ménage-à-TroisExample....Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 Trustm you to know that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 The thread title, "Get a Life", is what got my attention. The assumption seems to be that if you're talking about a movie from the point of view of its score, CGI, etc., etc. than you're like us and you have a life. However, if you falsely connect the movie with an issue of actual social significance you need to "Get a Life". I don't think any of us who have posted on this board very often (myself included) are in a good position to tell someone to "Get a Life" without opening ourselves up to the charge of hypocricy. At least that's my take on it. Get a Life really means get a social life, making the absurd assumption that that's the only type of life. This is a better useage for that term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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