Figo 2 Posted August 2, 2002 Author Share Posted August 2, 2002 Okay, then, forget Tiomkin. I still think its fairly standard, even if the film in question (Empire of the Sun, Glory) is not entirely "fairy tale."I can't beat up on a composer for some of his compositions sounding similar. That should be the case for anyone with a strong musical profile, whether it be Beethoven, Mahler or Copland. What is a bit harder to swallow is outright plagiarism, either of Khachaturian or of one's own works, hoping to pass it off as something original.I confess I don't know enough about Elfman to notice the similarities between his scores, beyond the basic themes or specific styles. I've seen plenty of his movies, but don't make a point of collecting the soundtracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 I only have 11 elfman soundtracks, and all mainstream, so I can't say I have a very complete knowledge of Elfman's work. But I do think his colaborations with Tim Burton are always worth the buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figo 2 Posted August 2, 2002 Author Share Posted August 2, 2002 Only!!!!!!!!!I liked his music for Pee-Wee Herman, but I already own 8 1/2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 Well, I think some credit shoudl be given to Elfman, since he has got no formal musical education.And did you guys he creates his own percurssion instruments, having used some of them in Planet of the Apes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figo 2 Posted August 6, 2002 Author Share Posted August 6, 2002 Well, I think some credit shoudl be given to Elfman, since he has got no formal musical education.Perhaps he should get more credit and less work. :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 Only!!!!!!!!!I liked his music for Pee-Wee Herman, but I already own 8 1/2. Elfman doesn't 'steal' more than Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 At least he doesn't always sound like one single dead composer.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue_Leader 2 Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 At least he doesn't always sound like one single dead composer....Dead composers play no music Morn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonnet43 0 Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 I think Elfman writes with such style and longing and passion. Of course he's bound to "copy" himself every now and then...ALL the good composers do. It's what makes their music recognizable. I think we should just enjoy Elfman's scores while they last! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 Herrmann was way better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 I think Elfman writes with such style and longing and passion. Of course he's bound to "copy" himself every now and then...ALL the good composers do. It's what makes their music recognizable. I think we should just enjoy Elfman's scores while they last!I agree. Elfman is a genious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruciformSword 2 Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 I think Elfman writes with such style and longing and passion. Of course he's bound to "copy" himself every now and then...ALL the good composers do. It's what makes their music recognizable. I think we should just enjoy Elfman's scores while they last!I agree. Elfman is a genious.It's nice to see a few people who appreciate Elfman.-Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 I have Batman and Men in Black soundtracks but have never heard Edward Scissorhands, perhaps i should get it.I only got Men in Black: The Score yesterday - i liked the acoustic guitar in K Reminisces and Finale - but initially bought The Album which had just the Opening and Closing Theme and a load of crap rap for £17 - that's over US $20. But get this, The Score was import so it cost me £21 or nearly $30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted August 8, 2002 Share Posted August 8, 2002 You sould really buy Edward Scissorhands..is, with batman, is ulitmate work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figo 2 Posted August 8, 2002 Author Share Posted August 8, 2002 Only!!!!!!!!!I liked his music for Pee-Wee Herman, but I already own 8 1/2. Elfman doesn't 'steal' more than Williams.More than anything, I think the point I'm trying to make is that some of these composers who are widely assumed around here to have invented the wheel, in actuality are riding on the coattails of their more innovative forebears (like Rota and Herrmann). Elfman may have a natural talent, but in no way, shape, or form is he the first to employ this so-called "fairy tale" chorus, or to incorporate manic circus music into his scores. I'm glad you guys like him, and I shouldn't really begrudge him his success or popularity, but for me, personally, he isn't the real thing, just some guy doodling away on his keyboard, looking for "ideas." At least he makes enough money so he doesn't have to live in his parents' garage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted August 8, 2002 Share Posted August 8, 2002 Elfman may have a natural talent, but in no way, shape, or form is he the first to employ this so-called "fairy tale" chorus, or to incorporate manic circus music into his scores. I know, Figo. But not being the first doesn't equal being bad or untalented.I'm glad you guys like him, and I shouldn't really begrudge him his success or popularity, but for me, personally, he isn't the real thing, just some guy doodling away on his keyboard, looking for "ideas." . 'The real thing'? Does a such thing exist? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figo 2 Posted August 8, 2002 Author Share Posted August 8, 2002 I AM THE REAL THING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 8, 2002 Share Posted August 8, 2002 Most of the stuff you post here has been said in one form or another by other members.To me you are just some guy doodling away on your PC's keyboard, looking for way's to piss people off.Stefancos- :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figo 2 Posted August 8, 2002 Author Share Posted August 8, 2002 Sorry if I'm honing in on your territory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue_Leader 2 Posted August 9, 2002 Share Posted August 9, 2002 Look it doesn't matter much if Elfman's techniques have been used before. I am sure it was but one could argue everything Johnny has done has been done before. I mean, his FEW detractors always bring up Erich Wolfgang Korngold saying that Johnny HEAVILY borrows from his style. However, its not like Korngold invented that style either. The problem is folks just about everything revolutionary thing that can be done with a symphony and chorus has been done. It was done when Johnny got there. Its no big deal though. As long as the music itself is original I don't think anyone cares about breaking new ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted August 9, 2002 Share Posted August 9, 2002 I know, Figo. But not being the first doesn't equal being bad or untalented. What does it say about the person who was first though?I don't think anyone cares about breaking new ground.Goldsmith seems to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue_Leader 2 Posted August 9, 2002 Share Posted August 9, 2002 Goldsmith seems toWell ...... USED TO! I don't exactly think Jerry Goldsmith has been at the avante garde of scoring in the last decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted August 9, 2002 Share Posted August 9, 2002 True Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonnet43 0 Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 Awww thanks. Yes, I do appreciate Elfman. He's my second favorite movie composer. And as far as my FIRST choice, (hmm who could it be?)I think HE is the greatest composer of the 20th century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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