BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Was it? It never seemed to be, from my point of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Well it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 When you say "Europe", you don't mean just Dutchlandia, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 28, 2014 Author Share Posted November 28, 2014 Moreover, I also think Jerry Goldsmith is overrated in film music circles (especially FSM) and hate complete & chronological releases.I also think Hans Zimmer is one of the best film composers who ever lived.There, that should just about cover it. I agree. I find that Hans Zimmer has a much more informed knowledge and command of every orchestral element, resulting in vastly more varied and versatile music that makes for magificent film scores and sensational album presentations.Jerry Goldsmith on the other hand, lacked a lot of knowledge and skill, and mostly got ahead in Hollywood by composing memorable melodies and complex harmonies that are far too inappropriate to call music, let alone film scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Orchestra, schmorchestra.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Hansu? Is that a Japanese composer?I should point out that I've enjoyed the last couple of Abrams reboot movies, though -- to a certain extent, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 28, 2014 Author Share Posted November 28, 2014 I like the Abrams flicks too. The second is fun and enjoyable but is really just a retread patchwork of material from earlier movies and full of Damon Vieweroff's incomprehensible plot twists and devices.It was the first Trek flick where I had no clue what it was trying to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 There's never been a Star Trek as good as an Indiana Jones, or Jaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 The Wrath of Khan comes close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Close but no cigar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uni 306 Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 I define "franchise" as more than one entry or adaptation. Muddle Earth has had books, movies and even more than one writer (Chris Tolkan and the movie writers)Ah . . . I see. You replaced "Middle" with "Muddle," subtly but cleverly intimating your contempt for all things "Tolkan." Brilliant.*Sigh* It seems you may be utterly ignorant of the irreproducibility and volatility of the act of authorship.So because you and I don't see eye-to-eye on this, you assume I don't know anything about craft of writing and revision? I could just as easily say the same to someone who looks down their nose at a lifetime of authorship and editing and sniffs, "It isn't canon."Silmarillion is the closest approximation of what Tolkien intended this collection of the stories of the pre-history of Middle Earth to be, filtered of course through Christopher Tolkien with whom Tolkien had discussed the work extensively prior to his death and intended to have him publish it if he did not have the chance to do it himself. Tolkien's own work on finalizing the book was terribly slow either for the lack of energy (he was depressed by his relatively "dull and grey" retirement), for other duties (answering tons of fan mail was one) or difficulties he had written himself into (he really was an absent minded professor, misplacing drafts and manuscripts and versions all the time) but also because of the enormous pressure of getting the myths of Silmarillion in line with Lord of the Rings down to the tiniest detail to avoid the inevitable flood of criticism (and fan mail) pointing these things out. Even then not everything in Silmarillion lines up 100% accurately but you could theorize (like Christopher Tolkien in his foreword) that this is much the nature of myths derived from different sources in different times, the creation of the work reflecting Tolkien's love for great tales and indeed the way they are passed to us. One can scoff and say this is a neat posthumous explanation or accept it and think of these myths as the most complete and final form of these stories that was arranged and committed to print.Bingo. It's a much better reflection of actual myth than a tightly-written and polished account would be. In this light, Tolkien could be seen as much as observer and scholar as author. If a man considered the foremost authority of an ancient civilization died before he could submit his last findings, he wouldn't be dismissed as a hack on the subject simply because he hadn't published a perfectly honed version of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melange 446 Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Star Trek is better than everythingYes, and Star Trek is forever in my debt for introducing me to the hypnotic exotic marvels of the nubile green dancing slave girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 I prefer the women of Deep Space Nine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 There's never been a Star Trek as good as an Indiana Jones, or Jaws.I've watched dogs fucking that were more enjoyable than the fourth Indiana Jones, which is still canonically part of the Indiana Jones series, and I've seen some Star Treks that were better than dogs fucking. So... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 29, 2014 Author Share Posted November 29, 2014 Uni, imitating my contempt I am not. Demonstrating my contempt, I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Did anyone else do this at Universal Studios? I'm the baby Vulcan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uni 306 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Not "imitating." Intimating. It's a different--Oh, never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 29, 2014 Author Share Posted November 29, 2014 Not imitating. Intimating. It's a different--Oh, never mind.It was 1pm in the afternoon and I'd just awoken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uni 306 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Mm-hmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 29, 2014 Author Share Posted November 29, 2014 So you're all rebels on some kind of star war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 There's never been a Star Trek as good as an Indiana Jones, or Jaws.I've watched dogs fucking that were more enjoyable than the fourth Indiana Jones, which is still canonically part of the Indiana Jones series, and I've seen some Star Treks that were better than dogs fucking. So...Must have been a dream, because there is no 4th Indiana Jones movie. Also, I don't buy into the "it's a series" logic of the thread. Raiders > all of Star Trek. It's as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Apples and Oranges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 29, 2014 Author Share Posted November 29, 2014 There's never been a Star Trek as good as an Indiana Jones, or Jaws.I've watched dogs fucking that were more enjoyable than the fourth Indiana Jones, which is still canonically part of the Indiana Jones series, and I've seen some Star Treks that were better than dogs fucking. So...Must have been a dream, because there is no 4th Indiana Jones movie. Also, I don't buy into the "it's a series" logic of the thread.Logic, logic, logic. Logic... is the beginning of wisdom, Mr Quint. Not the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Apples and OrangesNo. Star Trek is not in the same echelons of quality as the early Spielberg film. Star Trek has never been revered or admired for its craft. There is no 'classic' Trek entry. Wrath of Kahn got closest, as you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Classic Star Trek entries:City On The Edge Of ForeverThe Throuble With TribblesThe Best Of Both WorldsThe Inner LightDuetThe Visitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Never heard of them I'm afraid. Trekkie knowledge only.It'd be like me being a big Buck Rogers fan and listing some of its 'classic' episodes. Or a middle aged Bronie listing some of his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 That is why your contributions to this thread are nothing but sheer ignorance.It would be like me posting in the video games thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Which you do with increasing frequency. I'm merely challenging the thread author's nonsensical claim. Something to do isn't it. I'm sure there are those who would argue Harry Potter movies are more consistently good than Star Trek movies, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 You really cant judge Star Trek by its movies. They are amusing distractions, but often fail to highlight what Star Trek is in its core. It would be like judging Star Wars just from watching the Clone Wars cartoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 So then you would agree with me that Abrams Star Trek is better than The Motion Picture?It seems to me that the Trekkers in this thread are basing their entire argument on the notion that Trek is best just because of its sheer quantity. Which is brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 29, 2014 Author Share Posted November 29, 2014 My position on this matter is unchallengeable and immovable. Star Trek puts every other franchise or series to shame. Even The Bold and the Beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 How's the Dynasty boxset? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 29, 2014 Author Share Posted November 29, 2014 Haven't started yet. Still on my TNG marathon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 No Falcon Crest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 29, 2014 Author Share Posted November 29, 2014 I'll have my eye out. Same for The Colbys and Knots Landing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Ah, William Devane. The best he's been since the great sprint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 So then you would agree with me that Abrams Star Trek is better than The Motion Picture?In terms of action, and acting, sure Star Trek (2009) is a better movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 I don't think the Abrams movie is as good as First Contact, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Not even close IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Lee has seen the films too? Am I the only onevhsee who hasn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 You are still young... Lee is from a generation where Star Trek was on TV a lot when he was growing up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Listen to the wisdom of your uncle Stefan, KK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,222 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Lee has seen the films too? Am I the only onevhsee who hasn't? Not the only onevhsee. Unless you're including the Abrams films, in which case you might well be on your own... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Lee has seen the films too? Am I the only onevhsee who hasn't?Not the only onevhsee.Two onevhsees? This is worse than I thought! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Stiff is KK's uncle? Oh, my...Come and sit on uncle's lap, pretty boy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Stiff is KK's uncle? Oh, my... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Search your feelings, you know it to be true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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