Vaderbait1 1 Posted October 29, 2008 Posted October 29, 2008 I'm not sure how may are aware that Danny Elfman is scoring the upcoming remake of The Wolfman (though this one is called The Wolf Man), but production is chugging right alon and I thought I'd post this to hear anyone's thoughts on the matter.What sort of score do you want to hear from Elfman? What sort of score do you EXPECT he'll make?Are you excited? Interested? Dismissive?Personally, I'm not too excited about the score. Elfman's quality has really dropped off, and I'm not sure his "wacky gothic" is really the way to go. This movie looks extremely violent and atmospheric, more similar to the original 1941 classic (especially the hunt in the foggy woods) than to the more "bizarre" style adopted by Burton. But I'm hoping he can deliver something really amazing.
Morlock 12 Posted October 29, 2008 Posted October 29, 2008 A few months ago, I wouldn't have been that excited. But seeing how Elfman seems to have gotten his mojo back with his last three scores, I am greatly anticipating anything he has to offer, even the Notorious B.I.G. film.
Williamsfan301 12 Posted October 29, 2008 Posted October 29, 2008 He'll do fine. I think, in recent years especially, Elfman has grown a great deal as a composer, especially in composing more subtle scores. I was very impressed with what he did for the Tim Burton's Big Fish. Elfman will deliever a properly gothic and creepy score. It will make the film.
Jeshopk 8 Posted October 29, 2008 Posted October 29, 2008 Can't wait for it. It is the only score coming out I will definitely buy without having heard it. I also need to hear his score for Standard Operating Procedure. I see he is doing a film called Milk by Gus Van Sant. That may be good as well.
Koray Savas 2,260 Posted October 30, 2008 Posted October 30, 2008 I am greatly anticipating anything he has to offer, even the Notorious B.I.G. film.His he actually doing the score for that? Wow...Yeah, about Wolf Man, I suspect he'll just copy the original score, which he copied for his Batman theme. So, it's just gonna be Batman.
Koray Savas 2,260 Posted October 30, 2008 Posted October 30, 2008 Have you heard the original Wolfman score? Elfman's Batman theme is almost exact as it appears in that score. But oh no, no composers other than RCP steal, that's not possible.
Vaderbait1 1 Posted October 30, 2008 Author Posted October 30, 2008 Have you heard the original Wolfman score? Elfman's Batman theme is almost exact as it appears in that score. But oh no, no composers other than RCP steal, that's not possible.Erm...no, it's not even close. The most complex piece of music in the Wolfman is a three note theme that is basically the generic "monster theme" used for any monster movie. Not even close to Batman, which is a full theme.
Ollie 1,375 Posted October 30, 2008 Posted October 30, 2008 Actually Elfman's Batman has a little more in common with Williams' theme to The Fury.
indy4 160 Posted October 30, 2008 Posted October 30, 2008 After hearing that clip, I'll have to side with Koray (though I have yet to hear The Fury).
Ollie 1,375 Posted October 30, 2008 Posted October 30, 2008 I agree with Vaderbait1. Elfman did more with the theme. I also don't think Elfman copied Williams either, I just think there is a little more in common.Have you heard the original Wolfman score? Elfman's Batman theme is almost exact as it appears in that score. But oh no, no composers other than RCP steal, that's not possible.You're barking at the wrong person. I've really never accused them of copying. I just think their music sucks.
Wycket 36 Posted October 30, 2008 Posted October 30, 2008 Have you heard the original Wolfman score? Elfman's Batman theme is almost exact as it appears in that score. But oh no, no composers other than RCP steal, that's not possible.I've just listened to the clip, and while I hear the connection, to me it's more about a similarity in tone which I do like. He might have lifted that little piece as an homage to the score, but to say that that is the Batman theme is a little far-fetched. I could think of a hundred different moives I've seen from back in the day where a few notes sound exactly like a theme I've heard elsewhere. Regardless, this just makes more actually excited now that Elfman is doing the theme as maybe we'll get some old Elfman (though I doubt it).
Bryant Burnette 790 Posted October 30, 2008 Posted October 30, 2008 I used to be a devoted Elfman fan. But at some point, I kinda lost interest. He's still capable of doing very good scores, though (he's done okay for himself in 2008), so maybe The Wolfman will be another feather in his cap.Hard to believe that used to be a popular saying. Who thinks that it's a good achievement to put multiple feathers in one's cap?
mahler3 548 Posted October 30, 2008 Posted October 30, 2008 Listened to Sleepy Hollow the other day, a great score with a beautiful love theme - very underrated. Like Morlock I also thought Hellboy 2 was a triumphant return to form! Looking forward to hear what he does with Wolf Man.
Koray Savas 2,260 Posted October 30, 2008 Posted October 30, 2008 Stealing from Lady In The Water, great triumphant return.
scissorhands 16 Posted October 30, 2008 Posted October 30, 2008 Elfman has been in good shape for the last few years (starting with Serenada Schizofrana). I've loved every single score, including The Kingdom (considering that's his lesser from this new period), and especially Wanted.
mahler3 548 Posted October 30, 2008 Posted October 30, 2008 Stealing from Lady In The Water, great triumphant return.Did he? Don't know the score well enough to comment. I remember it lifted the film slightly, shame the same could not be said for The Happening!
Morlock 12 Posted October 30, 2008 Posted October 30, 2008 Stealing from Lady In The Water, great triumphant return. Where on earth did he steal from Lady in The Water?
Ollie 1,375 Posted October 30, 2008 Posted October 30, 2008 Well JNH is just as guilty of borrowing from/immitating other composers.
crocodile 9,724 Posted October 30, 2008 Posted October 30, 2008 Stealing from Lady In The Water, great triumphant return. Where on earth did he steal from Lady in The Water?In Hellboy II. In the scene after the main character destroys this gigantic plant monster. Choral writing is pretty much exactly like in LITW.Karol - who revisited many Elfman scores recently.
indy4 160 Posted October 31, 2008 Posted October 31, 2008 Listened to Sleepy Hollow the other day, a great score with a beautiful love theme - very underrated. Don't know the score [Lady in the Water] well enough to comment.You should definetly change that.
indy4 160 Posted October 31, 2008 Posted October 31, 2008 He should get to know the score better, it is absolutely fantastic.
Morlock 12 Posted October 31, 2008 Posted October 31, 2008 Stealing from Lady In The Water, great triumphant return. Where on earth did he steal from Lady in The Water?In Hellboy II. In the scene after the main character destroys this gigantic plant monster. Choral writing is pretty much exactly like in LITW.Karol - who revisited many Elfman scores recently. That choral writing is not 100% Elfman choral writing...but it is in no way JNH choral writing. JNH doesn't even have choral writing as a unique style. Strings and woodwinds he has, but that's it (even though his woodwinds occaisionally do smell of Elfman).
Koray Savas 2,260 Posted October 31, 2008 Posted October 31, 2008 He's not generally stealing from JNH, he's specifically stealing from Lady In The Water. It was most likely a temp track.
Nick Parker 3,049 Posted October 31, 2008 Posted October 31, 2008 "Enough. This bickering is pointless." Let us not get into a large debate about how Elfman plagiarizes James Newton-Howard, John Williams stealing from Prokofiev, Hans Zimmer stealing from everyone, James Horner stealing from himself, and so on. Seriously! Are we going to start accusing that Herr Goldsmith stole the "Gremlins" theme from a "Lucky Charms" commercial?
Koray Savas 2,260 Posted October 31, 2008 Posted October 31, 2008 Hans Zimmer stealing from everyone, James Horner stealing from himself.Scratch that, reverse it.
Nick Parker 3,049 Posted October 31, 2008 Posted October 31, 2008 I just realized that I wrote that post in incorrect tense....
Maurizio 6,913 Posted October 31, 2008 Posted October 31, 2008 Have you heard the original Wolfman score? Elfman's Batman theme is almost exact as it appears in that score.Elfman's Batman Theme is clearly modeled on Bernard Herrmann's Journey to the Center of the Earth. It's obviously an homage, not a rip-off.That choral writing is not 100% Elfman choral writing...but it is in no way JNH choral writing.In fact, it's very likely Jeff Atmajian's choral writing, who orchestrated both Hellboy II and Lady in the Water.
Romão 2,473 Posted October 31, 2008 Posted October 31, 2008 Have you heard the original Wolfman score? Elfman's Batman theme is almost exact as it appears in that score.Elfman's Batman Theme is clearly modeled on Bernard Herrmann's Journey to the Center of the Earth. It's obviously an homage, not a rip-off.I've always noted some similarities. I thought I was the only one
Ollie 1,375 Posted October 31, 2008 Posted October 31, 2008 I don't know if I find many similarities with Journey but it's clear that Elfman's inspirations come from Herrmann and Nino Rota. He's mentioned it many times.
Nick Parker 3,049 Posted October 31, 2008 Posted October 31, 2008 And one can tell by listening to "Pee Wee's Big Adventure" especially.
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