Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Yes, quality vs. quantity. As I have already elucidated:Less complex music with greater dramatic and emotional weight > more complex and florid music signifying nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 1, 2015 Author Share Posted August 1, 2015 Less complex music with greater dramatic and emotional weight > more complex and florid music signifying nothing.Thats 70's and 80's Williams music versus his more current compositions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Williams ST music is simply complex and florid and nothing more? I don't see that statement being exceptionally erudite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Yes, works better for many scenes. Not all of them. And those zimmer/shore less complex music moments are hard to listen, with and especially without the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Williams ST (sic) music is simply complex and florid and nothing more? Indeed it is. The low quality of the films leaves little for the heart to grab onto that isn't nostalgia for the grand sweep of it all. I don't truly care about Han and Leia when I hear their love theme. It's just nice music. The only times Star Wars music genuinely resonated emotionally with me were when Order 66 was executed, when Obi-Wan yells at burning Anakin, when Yoda died, and of course the rightfully revered "final duel" from ROTJ. Compared with what Shore did musically, coupled with actually skilled filmmaking and real soul instead of a pulpy blockbuster husk... yeah.Less complex music with greater dramatic and emotional weight > more complex and florid music signifying nothing.Thats 70's and 80's Williams music versus his more current compositions!A fair point! I still prefer the current stuff though. The language is more effortlessly his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 1, 2015 Author Share Posted August 1, 2015 So...hows John health? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Terrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Jay, Koko and leeallen for sure. I think I voted "yes" too.No way I would have voted yes, I don't think. When was the poll done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,660 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I have a hunch Williams will record a video message/s for both Tanglewood concerts. Hopefully, he will look and sound good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 The Hobbit has 116 leitmotifs!Star Wars doesn't even come close!This forum only needs one leitmotif:John Williams or death! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 The one moment in the Star Wars movies that made me emotional was the 20th Century Fox fanfare. And now it's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Williams ST (sic) music is simply complex and florid and nothing more? Indeed it is. The low quality of the films leaves little for the heart to grab onto that isn't nostalgia for the grand sweep of it all. I don't truly care about Han and Leia when I hear their love theme. It's just nice music. The only times Star Wars music genuinely resonated emotionally with me were when Order 66 was executed, when Obi-Wan yells at burning Anakin, when Yoda died, and of course the rightfully revered "final duel" from ROTJ. Compared with what Shore did musically, coupled with actually skilled filmmaking and real soul instead of a pulpy blockbuster husk... yeah.I see what you're getting at here and I sort of agree. Like my own though, it's a filmcentric point of view. Most here don't see the music that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 2, 2015 Author Share Posted August 2, 2015 The low quality of film making? TESB is high quality cinema! Much underrated actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 No I'm talking audiovisual aesthetics. How film and the power of its images when paired with musical exactitude makes me value the score much more and consider it to be greater soundtrack than I might have done; as opposed to those here who might not even watch a film and still declare its score to be greatness.They are listeners only, and as such are limited by their personal musical tastes. They ultimately don't make reliable judges of what makes for a great film score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Not enough slowwwwww motion and high impact emotional oomph underscored with lush orchestral majesty accompanied by awesome choir to hammer home that every moment is deeply significant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 2, 2015 Author Share Posted August 2, 2015 Ok, i can see that.I think in general the effects of Shores music are more dependent on the film then Williams anyway.There are plenty of his scores that do little to nothing for me stand alone, but really nail it in the film.I rather liked FOTR before I saw the film, but it didn't really click at all till i saw the music married to the images. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 So can we all agree that Shore is a better film music composer than Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Ok, i can see that.I think in general the effects of Shores music are more dependent on the film then Williams anyway.There are plenty of his scores that do little to nothing for me stand alone, but really nail it in the film.I rather liked FOTR before I saw the film, but it didn't really click at all till i saw the music married to the images.Shore's degree of synergy on The Lord of the Rings was out of this world, he was working alongside the film at the very pinnacle of its craft and artistry. Williams as we know is also a master of writing for the 'core' of a film's purpose, but his modern technique of masterful textural sophistication and unmatchable finesse can imo come off as somewhat ambiguous or even sterile at times. It's as if he's writing for the album or his own personal enjoyment. In that regard I much prefer John Williams the journeyman. When he was still very much figuring music out - and showing off his command of it. It seemed to fit the Wunderkind's movies better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 2, 2015 Author Share Posted August 2, 2015 I agree. In the last 2 decades or so Williams has at times descended to "complexity for complexities sake" without it truly being required by the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Williams and Spielberg really are remarkably similar craftsman. They've both settled into their greatness almost hand in hand. That's why at times Tintin felt like a great hark back to vintage spirited Spielberg. Might Episode 7 do the same for Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 2, 2015 Author Share Posted August 2, 2015 I hope so. The circumstances certainly seem to be there. A new collaborator for Williams, plenty of time to write and record.Just hope the health issues don't bog him down too much.Like everyone else I was hugely sceptical about Star Wars 7, in many ways I still am, but this score could...should be something rather special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Nobody more than me (disgruntled, tired of the genre) would love it to be, trust me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Is JJ gonna have the backbone to push John Williams away from his status quo of late?I'd be sitting around going, "Who am I to tell John Williams how to score this scene?!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 3, 2015 Author Share Posted August 3, 2015 Maybe John Williams could have his backbone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Wait, what? Is JJ responsible for Williams' back problems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 3, 2015 Author Share Posted August 3, 2015 Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Do they keep a chiropractor on call at the scoring stage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 3, 2015 Author Share Posted August 3, 2015 Happy finish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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