King Mark 3,631 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I don;t think Skyrim or even New Vegas can be called "old games" yet if you haven't played them.Old games is PS2 and below generationSome people are making somekind of Morrowind skyrim Mod .I must admit the Morrowind world is more interesting that Skyrim to look athttp://kotaku.com/high-res-skywind-looks-like-the-morrowind-mod-of-my-dre-1496594304 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I skipped Morroblivion because I couldn't stand Oblivion, truth be told. I did play the Morrowind Overhaul a little bit, but it wasn't on a computer I felt comfortable keeping on for long marathon gaming sessions. But I am tempted to download the Skywind mod and help test or find bugs. And yes, the landscape and architecture of Vvardenfell is much more interesting than anything in Cyrodil or most of Skyrim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,367 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 People are playing the same game over and over again.Alex Gilliam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 For the most part, yes, that is true. It's economical. It cuts down on the amount of work the developers need to adapt existing technology and ideas to new games, and publishers want games with preexisting audiences that will sell well. So we have games with yearly or at least often installments like Battlefield, Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto, Madden and the other EA sports, Civilization, all the Sim and Sims games. Once in a while, you get a game with a novel concept like Portal, but at the end of the day, all that is is a fancy new way of manipulating maps on the fly in the Half-Life 2 engine, itself just another Doom clone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 8, 2014 Author Share Posted January 8, 2014 The trick is to dip in and out of the many different genres available, like movies. But yeah, right now I'm dug in deep into the online fps thing, until that passes again and I start a new adventure campaign or something, I have the new Assassins Creed to get into there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,367 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 My son is playing the latest Tomb Raider (the one on the island) and he can't stop playing. I watched along for a while and hated it. When did games become like bad movie blockbusters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 8, 2014 Author Share Posted January 8, 2014 It's a good action adventure game if youre actually playing it. But I found it overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I enjoyed it enough. Wouldn't cough up $60 for the PS4 version though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 8, 2014 Author Share Posted January 8, 2014 For me they went wrong trying to do the Uncharted thing (and mostly succeeding) at the expense of what used to make Tomb Raider great - exploration, puzzle solving and isolation. They went mad on the gung ho action and it just became boring after a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Yeah we discussed this a page or two back. It ironically ended up being an Uncharted clone. I felt that it wasn't too big and long enough to make its gameplay stale though. Never really felt bored with it.What do you think about PlayStation Now? Didn't realize it was gonna be happening so soon. Seeing The Last Of Us streaming on a Vita, while not something I would specifically be attracted to, was a great sight and a giant step towards what can be done within the industry. The service has lots of possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 People are playing the same game over and over again.RPG's is the same thing. There's convention within a genre of gaming that must be followed to a degree so your always playing variations of the same basic game which .What makes one better than the other is how well all the elements are implemented (story,combat, exploration, environments,character building..)It's also the refinement of the formula over the years, like seeing worlds brought to life that weren't possible to render a few years agoI don't like the short, mostly cinematic games like Uncharted... the balance must be more on game play than cutscenes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 What do you mean by cutscenes? The script, dialogue, voice acting, motion capture? Cut scenes are required to tell a convincing and meaningful story, something that gives great gameplay a direction and purpose. If you think Uncharted has more of those than actual gameplay, then there's no helping you.Never play MGS4, those cutscenes run for 45-90 minutes each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I mean games that feel like your playing an interactive movie and not a game, There's no clear cut difference but it depends on the balanceFar Cry 3 had a ton of cut scenes but it was also a very in depth gaming experienceSome JRPG cut scenes go on for 45 minutes , but the main focus is still the gameI guess I could point out Uncharted and the single player campaigns of Call of Duty as the main offenders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 And you've played these games before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I started Uncharted and looked at someone play CoD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share Posted January 10, 2014 Uncharted 1&2 were brilliant playthroughs which retained their "game" perfectly well whilst offering the player something more cinematic than what they'd been used to. Same goes for The Last of Us, which pretty much perfected the formula.I didn't care for the rail'em up interactive adventure of Uncharted 3, and I hate CoD pretty much consistently bar a couple of iteration highlights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I'll try Last of Us when it's a really good price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 You can find it used for $25... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I'll buy it for 14.99 or less eventuallyI still have a lot of time before buying a PS4 I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,367 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 The kid finished the campaign of Tomb Raider and because of the fluentness, the not so difficult puzzles and especially the importance of Lara's bow, he thinks it's the best Tomb Raider game ever. He eagerly awaits the next one. Odd because to me there can be only one:No really, someone should continue making these games the old school way and offer them on the PS Store as mini-games or something. I bet there's a market for it. And how difficult can it be with today's engines? Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 The first 4 Tomb Raider games were brilliant, then Angel of Darkness happened a little while later and almost killed the franchise dead. Then Crystal Dynamics took over and eventually made TR: Underworld in 2008 - which was the last great TR title in the mould of the originals, before last year's reboot. It's on PS3, and still visually impressive.Did you not play it, Alex?Looking through the images again just now, I think I might have to play it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,367 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 We have them all but I only like the PSX ones (the first 5 Tomb Raiders with the first one being my absolute favorite). Somehow I already didn't like the previous (from the current one) Tomb Raiders. They look good but I don't enjoy playing them. I think I like the simplicity and the very gamish graphics of the old school Lara. Every thing else is too realistic, too movie-ish, too much of everything. You also die too easily which means you constantly have to repeat some difficult task. Crazily enough, I rather liked Angel Of Darkness, even though it didn't play all that well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 I couldn't play the PS1 originals again because as good as they were then they are crude as hell both visually and mechanically by the following generation's much more sophisticated and refined standards. The difficulty thing you mentioned is curious though - because I think the later and more recent entries are far easier than the pretty brutal (and cheap) first games!By sheer coincidence I bought the first game last week for the iPad. Thought it'd rekindle something, but alas it was just too old and unappealing to me. Unlike 2D retro stuff; 3D polygon based art dates very, very badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,367 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 It's dated but those are the only ones that I enjoy. Neither games, nor movies, for that matter, need real to life graphics for me. Every new game that comes out looks more real and more like a movie which you help to finish. Duck (press B), jump (press A) and you see the next conversation or story bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 Realism wasn't what I was getting at. Tomb Raider is a very rough game now. Some of the best games ever made look the polar opposite of "realistic".Every new game that comes out looks more real and more like a movieThis isn't true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,367 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Okay, not EVERY game, but you know what I mean.Even the soundtracks are exactly the same as the ones you hear in the theater (Zimmer, Zimmer, Zimmer). Games once had a unique vibe and atmosphere which you couldn't find anywhere else. Now the media just wants to mimic Hollywood.Grandpa Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 Okay, not EVERY game, but you know what I mean.Even the soundtracks are exactly the same as the ones you hear in the theater (Zimmer, Zimmer, Zimmer). Games once had a unique vibe and atmosphere which you couldn't find anywhere else. Now the media just wants to mimic Hollywood.Nostalgic AlexThis isn't true.Okay, not EVERY game, but you know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Depends what type of game your playingThe game I'm playing now on the PS3 is pretty old school.I have to take notes on a piece of paper because there's no quest markers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 Yeah the big budget shooters and action games tend be the ones which are most likely to have generic modern Hollywood inspired music. But not all of them. Possibly not even half of them, actually. I know this because I'm very experienced in this area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 The JRPG's have the best music and big orchestral themes . Not only Final Fantasy, but a few other ones I've played I've sleeked out the scores Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 Yeah they often have richly scored soundtracks, but I don't just like that sort of music (which too can be rather generic, in the same way a Debney movie score can be). I often tend to be very much into hybrid scores, which mix and mesh different musical styles, electro orchestral, that sort of thing, for eg. Games frequently have better music than movies nowadays anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 Get back to your Hobbits, plebian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 I havent contributed for a few days to that lark!So more BOLLOCKS, Donaldson! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Gf's beating the crap out of me at Age of Empires II.We might play Kerbal Space Program afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 I love Age of Empires II. Back in college, my friends forbade me from playing as the Spanish because conquistadors upset the balance of the game, so they thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Here's my main PC gaming history of the old days (1985-1993):Ultima 3 to7Might and Magic 1 to 5Eye of the Beholder 1 to 3Worlds of Ultima Savage EmpireUltima Underworld 1-2ShadowcasterAdvanced Dungeons and Dragons Pool of RadianceAdvanced Dungeons and Dragons:Heroes of the LanceAdvanced Dungeons and Dragons Curse of the Azure BondsDungeonmasterWing Commander 1-23003-2006:MorrowindFar CryNeverwinter NightsNeverwinter Nights 2FableDoom 3Half Life 2Far Cry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Gf's beating the crap out of me at Age of Empires .Arent you a woman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Gf's beating the crap out of me at Age of Empires .Arent you a woman?What do you mean?Current videogame adventures: Kerbal Space Program is nerdy and fun as hell. The finished game could be a jewel. And it runs on Linux! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 I started The Lord of the Rings: The War in the North, after paying about £2 for it last autumn on Steam. Hey it's a pretty good RPG slash 'em up! Better than I was expecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I'll keep an eye out for it. It's currently $20 and there won't be another Steam Sale until spring, I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 Don't be expecting Triple-A levels of polish and you'll be good. It's definitely a B-game. Also, you'll probably need a controller.I believe it was even in a recent Humble Bundle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 It was, I remember that bundle. I considered it but I owned half the games and decided not to rebuy, believing the remaining games weren't worth it. Oops. But I do own a controller, which is necessary for the Arkham games and side scrollers. I don't use the controller for my Elder Scrolls/Fallout RPGs or other FPS games because I am spoiled on keyboard and mouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Keyboard is only good for FPSa lot of RPG's are unplayable with a keyboard and mouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 Strategy games are better with k/m. And point 'n click adventures. Brónach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 well nobody plays those Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Many people do. Everything Sid Meier ever made is a strategy game that needs k/m input. Telltale Games has kept the Sam and Max and Monkey Island torches going, and their TWD games are extremely popular. Some people even liked their JP and BTTF games. None of the Sim and Sims games are playable with a controller. For a guy who gives most of his gaming allegiance to obscure Japanese games played by a handful of folks this side of the Date Line, you really have no business passing judgment on what genres are or are not dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I try to get play every RPG that's released for current consoles...and it includes the obscure JRPG titles. Final Fantasy isn't played by a handful of people and it's the prototype of the genre.I'm actually very late in the game and missed out on a truckload of them released on the PS2 back then and now the 3DS.I hate point and click adventures that's why I make fun of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 I don't play them at all anymore, but The Secret of Monkey Island on the Amiga is in my top five of all time. Also, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 It's not like I don't play anything else thoughShadowgate killed the point and click adventure for me. I remember staring at a static screen for hours trying to figure out what the fuck to click on...I hated that game so much that I never played another one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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