Faleel 5,375 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Notice that Air Force Train Cars is the cue we got from that site earlier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,415 Posted January 4, 2012 Author Share Posted January 4, 2012 No its not, its the same version as the film/album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,375 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Oh, well the title is the same, so.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,415 Posted January 4, 2012 Author Share Posted January 4, 2012 But the length is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,375 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 I understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,415 Posted January 4, 2012 Author Share Posted January 4, 2012 FYC CDs are stipulated by the academy to contain the film versions, and not unused alternatesIt looks like almost every cue has at least 2 names, and Air Force Train Cars / Train Of Thought is no different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Holdo 16 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 It's possible those FYC titles were created to make it clearer where the music goes in the film. I can understand Academy voters getting turned of by some of the more cutesy puns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Gia's tracktitles are the worst in the entire industry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,415 Posted January 4, 2012 Author Share Posted January 4, 2012 It's possible those FYC titles were created to make it clearer where the music goes in the film. I can understand Academy voters getting turned of by some of the more cutesy puns. I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,798 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 FYC CDs are stipulated by the academy to contain the film versions, and not unused alternatesIt looks like almost every cue has at least 2 names, and Air Force Train Cars / Train Of Thought is no different.Giacchino names and His editior names.I think some giacchino names make into the OST (i suppose when his jokes are better than what his editor can do). And i think the FYC-pixar promos contain mostly if not all giacchinos names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,375 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 When does your promo for Super 8 arrive again Jason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,415 Posted January 5, 2012 Author Share Posted January 5, 2012 I believe it's already at my house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,375 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,798 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 but he is not, so we have to wait still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,415 Posted January 6, 2012 Author Share Posted January 6, 2012 Here's exactly what is on the FYC disc:1. Super 8 1:49= OST 01 Super 8 (1:44) slightly extended (No idea if the OST is shortened, or if the FYC version is looped. Compare 0:48-0:56 of OST to 0:48-0:59 of FYC)2. Street Crossing 0:38= OST 02 Family Matters (0:29) with a longer ending (I never noticed the OST version fades out early)3. Model Painting 0:41= OST 03 Model Painting (0:41)4. Aftermath Class 1:43= OST 05 Aftermath Class [0:00-1:41] with a proper clean ending (the album track improperly crossfades to the next cue)5. Thoughts of Cubism 0:45= OST 06 Thoughts of Cubism (0:48) slightly extended (No idea if the OST is shortened, or if the FYC version is looped. Compare 0:07-0:15 of OST to 0:07-0:15 of FYC) and with an abrupt, cut-off early ending.6. To the Camera Store 0:37= The FILM VERSION of OST 07 We'll Fix It In Poste-Haste!!7. Alice Says Yes 0:42= OST 08 Production Woes (0:34)(The extra time is due to extra silence at the beginning and end)8. Air Force Train Cars 0:35= OST 09 Train Of Thought (0:35)9. Gas and Go 1:16= OST 10 Circle Gets The Cube (1:06) with that extended opening as heard in the film (no idea if its an insert, or tracked music), and really horrible film-looping (Compare 0:34-0:48 of OST to 0:40-0:56 of FYC)10. Breen Attacked 1:12= OST 11 Breen There, Ate That (1:12)11. Zombie Alice 0:43= OST 12 Dead Over Heels (0:48) with film edits (compare 0:26-0:33 of OST to 0:26-0:31 of FYC), and the ending fades out early as well.12. Looking for Lucy 2:22= OST 13 Gas & Go (1:34) with film loops (Compare 0:23-0:27 of OST to 0:23-0:30 of FYC)ANDOST 14 Looking For Lucy (0:49) with an extended ending (I never noticed that the OST track fades out early)(properly overlapped like in the film)13. Radio Haze 1:10= OST 15 Radio Haze (1:08)14. Shootus Interuptus 0:41= OST 14 Shootus Interuptus [0:00-0:41] with what I assume is a faked clean ending from the film, not a true clean ending of a cue15. Thoughts of Mom, Home and Garages 1:15= OST 18 Thoughts of Mom [0:00-1:13] with the fake clean ending heard in the film (as the end of the cue was dropped)16. Woodward Bites It 1:55= OST 19 Woodward Bites It (1:54) Sounds like a SLIGHTLY different mix (listen to the synths at the beginning)17. Alice Projects on Joe 2:41= OST 20 Alice Projects On Joe (2:29) Compare 0:00-0:53 of OST to 0:00-1:04 of FYC its either an alternate, slower performance, or has been artificially slowed down18. The Abduction of Alice 1:02= OST 21 Neighborhood Watch - Fail [0:00-0:58] Incorrect, faked ending since they dialed out the middle of the cue in the film). Bad title too because all this music happens before she is abducted.19. Who's Gonna Feed the Dog 3:32= OST 22 The Evacuation Of Lillian (3:40)20. Jack's Escape 2:32= OST 24 Lambs On The Lam (2:40) with film edits (Compare OST 0:44-0:54 to FYC 0:44-0:48) and a faked, earlier ending21. Woodward's Home Movies 2:05= OST 25 [0:00-1:58] with the proper clean ending (the album track incorrectly crossfades to the next cue)22. Donnie Calls for Help 1:52= OST 25 "The Boys Are Captured" [1:58-end] (With a proper clean opening, AND a small section of music micro-edited out of the OST [0:05-0:07])AND OST 26 Spotted Lambs [0:00-1:12] with a faked clean ending (because the end of the cue was dropped in the final film (overlapped like in the film)23. World's Worst Field Trip 2:51= OST 28 World's Worst Field Trip [0:38-end] I think this is a fake opening because the opening was dialed out; Not the true start of a cue, but there's no way to be sure.24. The Siege of Lillian 4:05= OST 29 The Seige Of Lillian (2:57) The first half is either sped up or heavily edited)AND OST 30 "Entering The Garage" [0:00-1:02] with a proper clean ending (the album track incorrectly crossfades to the next cue)(overlapped like in the film)25. Tunnel of Love (Part 1) 2:22= OST 30 Creature Comforts [3:16-5:44] It's unknown if this is a true clean opening of a faked one (the music on the OST from 1:37-3:16 does not appear in the film), with a section edited/artificially slowed down (compare OST 4:48-5:15 to 1:31-1:56 FYC). Unsure if proper clean ending or just a result of a pause during the cue26. Tunnel of Love (Part 2) 1:05= OST 30 Creature Comforts [5:44-6:45] Unsure if proper clean opening or just a result of a pause during the cue; Proper clean ending. Cue is looped multiple times and seems to play at the wrong speed for most of it.27. Tunnel of Love (Part 3) 3:06= OST 30 "6m55 Tunnel Of Love" [6:45-end] with a proper clean opening and film edits (Compare 6:53-7:13 OST to 0:09-0:14 FYC). There's also a weird error where the first note of Letting Go is heard after its done fading.28. Letting Go 5:13= OST 31 Letting Go (5:18) slightly edited down.Overall, I find the sound quality of the FYC disc to be BETTER than that of the OST. That might just be because its overall quieter compared to the OST - like the OST was cranked up too high, and the background noise got amped up with it. The FYC disc sounds "cleaner". I'm no audophile, so I'd love to hear other's opinions on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 486 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 So from my understanding the FYC disc has a lot of faults (loops, speed-ups, edits) although at the same time does have some exclusive stuff here and there. Overall, which do you think is a better presentation? FYC or OST? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,415 Posted January 6, 2012 Author Share Posted January 6, 2012 Um I think you answered your own question lolThe FYC disc is literally an (incomplete) isolated score of the film on CD, and contains all edits, loops, speed changes, sudden drops in music, etc.It's only "needed" for the following pieces:2. Street Crossing 0:38 for the extended ending4. Aftermath Class 1:43 for the clean ending6. To the Camera Store 0:37 completely unreleased film version9. Gas and Go 1:16 for the extended opening12. Looking for Lucy 2:22 for the extended ending21. Woodward's Home Movies 2:05 for the clean ending22. Donnie Calls for Help 1:52 for the clean opening and the small bit of music microedited out of the OST24. The Siege of Lillian 4:05 for the clean ending of "Into The Garage"26. Tunnel of Love (Part 2) 1:05 for clean ending of Creature Comforts27. Tunnel of Love (Part 3) 3:06 for the clean opening of "6m55 Tunnel of Love"Unless the sound quality truly is better than the OST, in which case it would be a lot of work to undo all the edits and replace with OST material, etc.BTW, still unavailable is the clean opening of "Dr. Woodward" and the clean opening of Creature Comforts. And also the Alternate of Air Force Train Cars aka Train of Thought in lossless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 The FYC disc sounds interesting, but is the first time I'm happy with the OST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 486 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Gotchya, thanks for the response, Jason. You forgot to add that the promo doesn't include any of the music from "The Case", and the OST is missing a couple cues from it that were available from that website (and also offered a couple clean openings/endings for parts of it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,415 Posted January 6, 2012 Author Share Posted January 6, 2012 What do you mean forgot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 486 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Meaning it wasn't mentioned in your above description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,415 Posted January 6, 2012 Author Share Posted January 6, 2012 I don't understand. There's lot's of music not included on the FYC, not just those pieces. I didn't single any of them out, I just talked about what IS on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Holdo 16 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Little tidbit for y'all: I compared 'Super 8' (the main title) in the film to the album track; the string sustain is a little longer in the film, which explains why the FYC track as slightly longer. I suspect it was two pieces recorded separately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,415 Posted January 6, 2012 Author Share Posted January 6, 2012 It could be that, or the film version could be looped, or the OST version could be edited down. No real way to tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,415 Posted January 6, 2012 Author Share Posted January 6, 2012 I can't believe I totally forgot to post the pictures I took today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,415 Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 If anyone wants a physical copy, there's an ebay auction ending in 10 hours for one! It's currently at $31!http://www.ebay.com/itm/180786955298As a reminder, the last two ones on ebay ended at $21.50 and then $34. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,415 Posted January 11, 2012 Author Share Posted January 11, 2012 Holy CRAP!!! The FYC promo sold for $107.67!!!Good thing I bought mine when I did! So we now have:http://www.ebay.com/itm/120832045990 (Closed 2011-12-25 4:59pm EST) $21.50http://www.ebay.com/itm/310369487355 (Closed 2012-01-03 6:44pm EST) $34.00http://www.ebay.com/itm/180786955298 (Closed 2012-01-10 7:50pm EST) $107.67I wonder how much the next one will go for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 486 Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 It's probably selling for more now because now people know what it actually contains and now a lot more people are interested in it. No joke, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,415 Posted January 12, 2012 Author Share Posted January 12, 2012 There's been almost no discussion of it. What do you guys think of it? Favorite bits of new or different music? Worst edits? Any other differences compared to the OST that I missed above?Discuss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Holdo 16 Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 I'm comparing Creature Comforts (the film cue, not the 10 minute album track) and its FYC counterpart. Seems the latter has removed a synthesizer sound at the end.EDIT: I take that back. The last bit of Creature (the quiet bit with the love theme) was replaced by tracked music from 'Production Woes'. How about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,415 Posted January 13, 2012 Author Share Posted January 13, 2012 Mr. Movies, I must commend you. The plethora of alternates you've been able to uncover from the Super 8 blu ray is out of this world!Some of them are utterly fascinating. Its interesting to see the score finds its voice by revising some of the cues. Some of the earlier ones were fairly different! Great, great work sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Holdo 16 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Thanks! Hopefully it'll be rendered obsolete soon, I'd love to have them in higher quality, and without pieces missing (that Letting Go alternate in particular is gorgeous, but it's hard to appreciate when bridging bits are absent. Ah well...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 154 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Could you make an editing guide too, Mr Movies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,415 Posted January 13, 2012 Author Share Posted January 13, 2012 My post on page 2 should tell you everything you need to know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Holdo 16 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Honestly, I don't remember where everything came from, a lot of them were scattered across featurettes and I didn't keep track, just edited stuff together. I do recall that Model Painting (Alternate) came mostly from Giacchino's segment, but you'll need a few seconds from the OST version to bridge a gap early on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,798 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 the complete cue list does not include the 'case' music from the official site.i think the tracks that feature more music are:'tough cop investigation' is like an extened version of the OST countermantopening of 'suspense'zombie attack is completely unreleased, i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,722 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 37. The Case - 3:28 - OST 33The score to Charles’ film is by Giacchino, though in the universe of the film it was done by Charles himself (at least according to the back of the CD cover. The version on CD is arranged as a suite that doesn’t exactly line up with the version shown in the film’s end credits.I resurrect Jason's excellent analysis as I was taking another listen of this score again and remembered one thing I should have mentioned about the Case music before. The music itself is not infact attributed to Charles Kaznyk but rather the film is. It says on the CD cover Original Music from the film by Charles Kaznyk meaning that the film is by Charles not the score. Took a while for me to read that the right way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,415 Posted March 12, 2012 Author Share Posted March 12, 2012 I think it could be interpreted either way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,722 Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I think it could be interpreted either wayWell I think it is more logical to assume that Giacchino, no matter how funny guy he is, wouldn't attribute his own music to a fictional character when he clearly has composed the music. The sentence following the track title just clarifies the movie it was composed for and who created the film, though the director is a fictional character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackR 95 Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Then JJ Abrams must be pissed to have a fictional character credited with a short film that Abrams obviously directed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,722 Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Then JJ Abrams must be pissed to have a fictional character credited with a short film that Abrams obviously directed. Yeah there is always that as well. However I will stick with my interpretation of the credit of the Case music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offline 29 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Incredible work you guys! Is there anyway to listen to the FYC or the Blu-Ray Alternates? I've been attempting to duplicate the film versions, but to no avail. My faked endings don't work for some of these Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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