ComposerEthan 8 Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 I've always been a fan of bad guy themes and I think there was a thread on this in the John Williams board, but I wanted to know more about other bad guy themes in other film scores!One of my favourites is Cutler Beckett's theme from ATW by Hans Zimmer. My scope is limited, so please discuss and share your favourites? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 38,660 Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Darth Vader's ThemeThe Emperor's ThemeNelec's ThemeKhan's Theme from TWOK (aka the Danger Motif)Sauron's ThemeIsengard Theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 5,977 Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 I noticed alot of bad guy themes are short, like the Decending third, Keys Theme, the Villian theme from Supergirl, etc. Wojo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComposerEthan 8 Posted May 29, 2013 Author Share Posted May 29, 2013 I rather like that. With short themes (or motifs), it leaves a lot of room for development. Long themes are often played out in the same way, like Davy Jones's Theme for example (but that may just be due to Zimmer's style). I like the Nazi Theme (both Raiders and TLC) and Mola Ram's theme. Green Goblin's theme from Spiderman 1 was pretty good. Syndrome's theme and Muntz's theme. Barbossa's theme from On Stranger Tides. Carnivores Theme from Jurassic Park .General Grievous's theme and Dovchenko's theme might rank among my favourite militaristic bad guy themes. I love the plodding brass chords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 5,977 Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 My favorite Militiaristic bad guy theme would have to be the Witch King theme in Return of the King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 38,660 Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 I really love Mola Ram's Theme from Temple of DoomThe Nazi March from Last Crusade is an awesome theme too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComposerEthan 8 Posted May 29, 2013 Author Share Posted May 29, 2013 My favorite Militiaristic bad guy theme would have to be the Witch King theme in Return of the King. Time stamp please? I haven't seen any of the Lord of the Rings movies, except the Hobbit but I haven't looked into that score.I really love Mola Ram's Theme from Temple of DoomThe Nazi March from Last Crusade is an awesome theme too!I remember reading onthe Indy wiki that they called both themes (from Raiders and TLC) campy. I think TLC was campy but really good. The theme in Raiders isn't campy though..its like the brother of the Stormtroopers Motif from ANH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,540 Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 744 Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Barbossa's theme from On Stranger Tides.Which one is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ComposerEthan 8 Posted May 29, 2013 Author Share Posted May 29, 2013 No, Barbossa has a theme in On Stranger Tides. if you listen to "Lord Cutler Beckett" (the full 8:00 song from the Treasure collection), its the second half of the song. It plays during the cue "Are We Not King's Men". It's combined with the three note ostinato for Cutler Beckett near the end, but it doesn't appear in AWE. I do like Blackbeard's theme, especially its treatment in Mermaids and the swaying, drunk sound in the beginning of Blackbeard. Not a fan of when it gets all bombastic with the anvil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 744 Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Sounds to me like some sort of combination between the opening of "Barbossa is Hungry" from CotBP and Beckett's Theme.Quite a fun combination, but I wouldn't have recognized it as being supposed to be Barbossa's Theme.Of course Beckett's Theme was rather underused in DMC and AWE.But then OST isn't exactly very good when it comes to sticking to its themes.Davy Jones' theme in the middle of the carriage chase? Uh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComposerEthan 8 Posted May 29, 2013 Author Share Posted May 29, 2013 Yeah, it's Barbossa's theme. Plays most scene's that he's in, interchanged with Beckett's theme being used for the Red coats. I agree. It's because he uses "The Battle Theme", which has the black pearl theme and Davy Jone's theme. Plays in the cue "The Dutchman Chases the pearl" from DMC, in the Maelstrom battle, and then the Carriage Chase.Copy and pasting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComposerEthan 8 Posted May 29, 2013 Author Share Posted May 29, 2013 One motif I enjoy is the short motif in Enter Lord Vader that gets a cool reprise in the same cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 5,977 Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 I like the motif in Anakin's Dark Deeds at the begining of the security recordings section.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonzoe 19 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 So many good ones, but since today's Elfman birthday.http://youtu.be/2-JRUeym4Qs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 155 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 This are my favorites:"Lions Attack" -The motif for the two man-eating lions from The Ghost and The Darkness: Malagant's theme and his army in First Knight: Gabriel Byrne's villain theme in Lionheart (stars in 0:40):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOUhLOclBzM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,304 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 The V'ger music from Star Trek: The Motion Picture counts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig 1,130 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 How about Wint and Kidd's theme from Diamonds Are Forever? Since I've been studying the score, it's been so catchy that it's had a way of staying with me (and the underlying ostinato is cool too):http://youtu.be/d-NrhVI4mO0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComposerEthan 8 Posted May 30, 2013 Author Share Posted May 30, 2013 I just read the article you posted on that today Ludwig! Really impressive. I now recall the theme when I watched the film on VHS with my grandparents! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 The Black Suit theme from Spider-Man 3 (at 1:20) Lex Luthor's Theme from Superman Returns (at 0:00) The Green Mist theme from The Voyage of the Down Trader (at 0:19) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,647 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 The first one that stuck in my mind after i heard in cinema - long before i knew what film music was:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YEob8fH4gw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShowUStheHOOK 8 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max 146 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 In addition to some of the themes mentioned here already, I also enjoy Sab Than's theme from Michael Giacchino's John Carter.2:03 to 2:16.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHuhph3P8dg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Jerry Goldsmith's Antichrist themesAve Satanihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b4WaiX4A_QThe Final Conflicthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDgBGtIBVVg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,304 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 ...classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 155 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Jerry Goldsmith's motif for the bad guys in Looney Tunes: Back In Action titled, well, "The Bad Guys":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUcehmK9Cy8 Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 744 Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Jerry Goldsmith's motif for the bad guys in Looney Tunes: Back In Action titled, well, "The Bad Guys":That one really does sound pure, nasty, evil, doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,304 Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 In addition to some of the themes mentioned here already, I also enjoy Sab Than's theme from Michael Giacchino's John Carter.I think that motif is awfully appropiate and I don't understand why some don't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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