Jay 37,374 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 http://www.ebay.com/itm/231144916894 http://www.ebay.com/itm/331114835955 http://www.ebay.com/itm/231144929675 Pretty cool stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Well, I knew about the Quadrophonic release of Jaws. But I never knew TESB had one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted January 29, 2014 Author Share Posted January 29, 2014 Only the Jaws tapes are quadraphonic, the SW and TESB ones are stereo master tapes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 We should totally club together and buy these! I'm in for 10 bucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,915 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 I hope these find a good home with someone who digitizes them and stores them with love and care rather than some show off trophies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,744 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 What a cool find! As per the item descriptions, it looks like he's gonna be selling a set of master tapes for Close Encounters too. IMHO, that's the one we should buy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,915 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Is this basically the raw unmixed and unedited studio recording? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 No, would this not be an album master shipped to an LP manufacturer so they can manufacture vinyl's?Jaws got a rare quad release in japan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,915 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 But the label shows session dates as if it's raw sessions.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Well, if Lucasfilm comes down on this seller in the next few hours you might be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 So doe this mean this guy has the stuff we need for a better sounding Jaws and TESB releaseWait it doesn't say these are John Williams scores, maybe it's the movie audio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 There's some letter in there from 2007 that says Lucasfilm is trying to locate the Star Wars music masters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,363 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Wait it doesn't say these are John Williams scores, maybe it's the movie audio Musical Master Tapes from JAWS.Musical Master Tape from STAR WARS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Could it be that Sony never re-masterded the SW scores because they couldn't find these tapes, and now some idiot is selling them on ebay as "movie memorabilia" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,363 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 It says its from the personal estate of John Neal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 But what's that 2007 letter about, Lucasfilm trying to locate music masters..so John Neal would not give them back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Damn. I thought I'd at least bid, and see what happens, because this is a bit of a big deal... but I got slapped around for even thinking that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,363 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 but I got slapped around for even thinking that.The wife/gf? Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 But what's that 2007 letter about, Lucasfilm trying to locate music masters..so John Neal would not give them back?Would that not be theft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,915 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 What I gather is these are backups of the original master (he calls it personal safety backups) and from the letter from Star Wars, some of the original masters are missing (as of 2007). I don't see why it is theft to own a backup if the originals were lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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King Mark 3,631 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Balahkay 627 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 But what's that 2007 letter about, Lucasfilm trying to locate music masters..Does anyone have a link to this letter from Lucasfilm? Are only the "Star Wars" masters lost or all the original trilogy masters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Just click on the ebay links, the letter is attached to the items as a picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 These tapes belonged to John Neal, the recording engineer/mixer on these films. They are probably part of his estate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Just click on the ebay links, the letter is attached to the items as a pictureThanks, I didn't look at the other pictures, only read the description. I am little confused by the letter. Is this the first time we've seen this letter? And what was the point of it, exactly, since it wasn't addressed to a specific person? Also, if the original masters were lost, what was used to create the 1997 RCA Special Edition release? I am assuming the letter is talking about the music from the 1977 "Star Wars" and not the other films. Sorry for all the questions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,363 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Just click on the ebay links, the letter is attached to the items as a pictureAlso, if the original masters were lost, what was used to create the 1997 RCA Special Edition release?Copies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 I dunno, the 1997 c.d.'s weren't from the true master tapes from what I understand . I'm thinking maybe they were looking to make new re-masters in 2007 and can't find better tapesso that's why we never got new SW releases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 This is becoming scandalous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Just click on the ebay links, the letter is attached to the items as a pictureAlso, if the original masters were lost, what was used to create the 1997 RCA Special Edition release?Copies.Really? The RCA "Star Wars" sounded pretty darn good to me... as for the other RCA Special Editions... they had their own set of issues, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,363 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Oh yeah, 97 SW used the original masters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 why does Jedi sound so shit and some cues are from film stems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Many years ago, I read that masters for ROTJ couldn't be found at the time, so they used 3rd or 4th generation copies instead... hence why the quality is so poor. With ESB, it mixed incorrectly without care, but I'm not sure if the original masters were used. Also, I've read that better, higher quality masters for ROTJ were found, but the article didn't provide any more information. To my knowledge, none of this has been confirmed and the link to my source is now dead, so who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 These tapes belonged to John Neal, the recording engineer/mixer on these films. They are probably part of his estate.Has John Neal just died? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Oh yeah, 97 SW used the original masters.I'm confused, then... The original masters were used for the 1997 RCA, then lost and then partially found as of 2007 (according to the letter)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Trilogy 39 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 I dunno, the 1997 c.d.'s weren't from the true master tapes from what I understand . I'm thinking maybe they were looking to make new re-masters in 2007 and can't find better tapesso that's why we never got new SW releases?Indeed we got a "new" release in 2007. They wanted to find the tapes, but they couldn't. So they released a 30th Anniversary with the same stuff from the RCA Special Editions with the DSD mastering from 2004. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 These tapes belonged to John Neal, the recording engineer/mixer on these films. They are probably part of his estate.Has John Neal just died?He died in 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 These tapes belonged to John Neal, the recording engineer/mixer on these films. They are probably part of his estate.Has John Neal just died?He passed away in 2009With ESB, it mixed incorrectly without care, but I'm not sure if the original masters were used. I'm sure it was mixed with care, but Mike Mattesino was on an incredibly tight schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 I wonder why it was such a rush back then that they couldn't complete the project correctly, then they make no effort for the next 15 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 why does Jedi sound so shit and some cues are from film stems?The cue that accompanied Lando Calrissian’s flight through the inner workings of the Death Star (titled “Superstructure Chase” on the Special Edition CDs) was not recorded at Abbey Road. “We had to go to Olympic for a day and record there,” explained Eric Tomlinson. “And we filled the studio so full – we even had to put the piano on end so that we could get the last cello players in!” Olympic Sound Studios were located at 117 Church Rd in Barnes, London. Studio 1 was 62 feet by 42 feet with a 28 foot ceiling. Equipment at Olympic included a custom made 24 - input wrap - around console together with custom speakers and amplifiers designed by studio manager and chief engineer, Keith Grant. The microphone cabinet was stocked with AKG, Neumann, Pearl and Telefunken types. The orchestra in the “Superstructure Chase” sounds reduced in trumpets , horn s and woodwinds and several performance errors can be detected that are not readily audible in the film. “I went down to talk to John Williams while he was conducting,” recalled Tomlinson. “And he just leaned over and said 'it’s like conducting a silent film!’ He couldn’t hear a damn thing in there.”“I took it back to Abbey Road and I spent days trying to make it sound like Abbey Road, like the rest of it, and I just couldn’t,” explained Eric Tomlinson. “We gave up in the end. And although it sounded OK in the studio at Olympic it didn’t match up with the preceding or following cue. They almost dropped it but it was too important to drop.”http://www.malonedigital.com/starwars.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 With ESB, it mixed incorrectly without care, but I'm not sure if the original masters were used. I'm sure it was mixed with care, but Mike Mattesino was on an incredibly tight schedule.I thought Eric Tomlinson and Brian Risner mixed the 1997 Special Edition of ESB, with Risner doing the bulk of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 they could have just used bits from the Star Wars score for Superstructure Chase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,363 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Or the Gerhardt/Williams suite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 I thought Eric Tomlinson and Brian Risner mixed the 1997 Special Edition of ESB, with Risner doing the bulk of it?Mattesino was credited with the editing and assembly, while Risner is credited only for being the transfers.I have no knowledge of Tomlinson being involved at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Trilogy 39 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Many years ago, I read that masters for ROTJ couldn't be found at the time, so they used 3rd or 4th generation copies instead... hence why the quality is so poor. With ESB, it mixed incorrectly without care, but I'm not sure if the original masters were used. Also, I've read that better, higher quality masters for ROTJ were found, but the article didn't provide any more information. To my knowledge, none of this has been confirmed and the link to my source is now dead, so who knows.All infos are on the FSM Issue Vol. 2, Nr. 1.They found five reels of 24-track Empire music. Nick Redman decided to take those because of the hugh increase in quality. Brian Risner have to re-balanced the half of the score in six hours. Micheal Matessino looked over his shoulder during the process.The other half are taken from the digital transfers by Bill Wolford in 1993.For ROTJ there is a statement from Matessino in Vol. 3, Nr. 3. He said, he hoped the quality was better, but after careful comparisons with other sources, that one was the best. He also stated that a considerably portion of this set were the same reels they did for the Anthology. Due to inferior use of tape stock the reels didn't age well.EDIT: For ESB they used the 24 track master, session masters, a magnetic music stem from the film and the Polygram album master. Not the transfers by Bill Wolford. Sorry for false infos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Thanks for the information! I hope these reels on eBay fall into the right hands so they can be properly preserved and possibly used as a source for a future release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted January 29, 2014 Author Share Posted January 29, 2014 With ESB, it mixed incorrectly without care, but I'm not sure if the original masters were used. I'm sure it was mixed with care, but Mike Mattesino was on an incredibly tight schedule. Matessino didn't do those bad TESB mixes on the 1997 CD, that was Brian Risner (but yes, the tight schedule is to blame irregardless, not the mixer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,211 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Well, if Lucasfilm comes down on this seller in the next few hours you might be right. What's Lucasfilm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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