#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 I've been listening to the complete score today, and I quitte enjoy it, for the most part.I gotta wonder however.This score was recorded with a REAL orchestra right?A lot of the brass in the action cues (The Battle, Barbarian Horde) sound very synth like, and the string music sounds like it has been manipulated somehow.Is it all synth, did someone at MV thought it was a good idea to make an orcherstra sound synth-like?Am I just hearing stuff?BTW, Hannibal has a certain artificial-ness in it recording and mixing too, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoby12 0 Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 It is both. It was recorded live. I know some people who orchestrated on it, basically it is layers upon layers. For example everthing the horns play is doubled by synth horns (that distinctive overblow sound). Also they use the trombones and cellos as super doublers, they stay after the session and double the other parts. For example it would be common to have cellos double the viola part after the session. Either way everything is doubled by synth, and the woodwind section is hardly used. To me it sounds like 500 people playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 I've always thought the OST sounded all synth. :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 28, 2005 Author Share Posted January 28, 2005 To me it sounds like 500 people playing.To me it sounds like a guy behind a keyboard, albeit an expensive one.All the details in the performance are pretty much shot to hell.Do you know if there is any particular reason why Zimmer does this?And is there a more decent re-recording of The Battle out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 798 Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 The Gladiator score is still spectacular and one the most influential scores of the last five years. Not a very popular opinion on this board, but alas, there you have it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 The Gladiator score is still spectacular and one the most influential scores of the last five years.Well yeah. It's in half of Pirates of the Carribean too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 28, 2005 Author Share Posted January 28, 2005 Question, you love Glad-I-Ate-Her.What do you think of the Pirates Of The Caribean score, which is pretty much Klaus Badelt and 12 other MV guys doing Gladiator again?I like Gladiator, despite it's ludicrously overengineered sound.But Pirates Of The Caribean is a personal offense to me. (the score, not the film, which I really like) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 798 Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 I never really listened to Pirates that well. In a lot of ways the masculine theme from Gladiator is just another variation of the theme Zimmer presented in Crimson Tide (or even Backdraft). But the score as a whole with the powerful Wagnerian Might of Rome, the beautiful ending of The Battle (very Morricone like - listen to his Secret Of The Sahara "Kerim" cue to hear the resemblance), the brilliance of Am I Not Merciful and the central theme best heard in Honor Him make it a unique experience. This score is way better than most here want it to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 28, 2005 Author Share Posted January 28, 2005 It's good but personally I cannot place it in the E.T., Braveheart, LOTR, TMP range.Maybe i'm to traditional for it, an orchestra should sound like an orchestra, not a synth sampler.Zimmer is a good composer but IMO he shoots himself in the foot with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent_Price 0 Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Well,the method for the MV recordings are a bit the same as Randy Edelman does.First,get a BIG orchestra.Record it.Two,when you get this wonderful sound, get an arranger and some "additional arrangers" to put some synth on the orchestra.Why would you tell me ?Because in the theater, we can't hear the music with all the explosions, car chases or others BIG CRASHES !For GLADIATOR, the music was recorded in London (as HANNIBAL) by the performers of the LSO... It's the same thing with K19 The Widowmaker by Badelt. It's a score I love, but why have they pay to get the KIROV ORCHESTRA & CHORUS and the master baton of Gergiev to put a slice of synths on it ?Hope it can help...Yours Vincent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 "I can't believe Vincent Price would lend his name to such a shoddy product."Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 28, 2005 Author Share Posted January 28, 2005 I can't believe his avatar is so big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,353 Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 The Gladiator score is still spectacular and one the most influential scores of the last five years. Not a very popular opinion on this board, but alas, there you have it anyway.Mmm, that's one way of putting it. A better truth is that other composers were forced to "copy" Gladiator's atmosphere. ----------------Alex Cremers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,798 Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 I think in the cover of the OSTs puts the performers. I think it is synth plus some real instrument, wich in the end just make everything sound synth.Luke, who think some synth scores could be great if recorded with real orchestras.JPIII is synth or not? To me it isnt but some action cues sound like it could be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 28, 2005 Author Share Posted January 28, 2005 JPIII is another score with a very bad mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 188 Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 But the opening track is spectacular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent_Price 0 Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Well,I'm new... so don't kick me please!I just changed my avatar and tried to answer the Stefancos' interrogation he got for the sound of MV...That's all...I'm interested in film music, not in a kind of genre...I'm working in a shop in which I sell soundtracks, so I listen to everything !Your Vincent,The newcomer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melange 446 Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 Welcome (creaky sound for door opening, as a suitable Vincent Price entrance) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,798 Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 JPIII is another score with a very bad mix.has it any synth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 29, 2005 Author Share Posted January 29, 2005 Not really I think.But the orchestra is very poorly recorded or mixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,798 Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 29, 2005 Author Share Posted January 29, 2005 The Matrix Revolutions leaves somthing to be desired too, Neodammerung is mixed with the sensitivity of a sledgehammer wielded by Mike Tyson in a foul mood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,798 Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 never heard it but thanks for the warning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 798 Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 Stefan!!!I forgot one important thing: the sequel album (More Music ...) isn't really interesting with the excepting of one track; DUDUK OF THE NORTHStefan, I promise you man this is one really great piece of film music! It starts with a, suprise suprise, duduk solo which is somewhat impressionistic at first, but becomes more and more melodic as the piece progresses. Then, after the first few minutes, a guitar is heard over a string synth motif and it will really blow your mind! It's THAT good and to make things better the cue ends with a Media Ventures "orchestral" rendition of that guitar motif and it's stunning.One of my favorite unknown pieces of film music! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 29, 2005 Author Share Posted January 29, 2005 It's on the boot I have.I'll give it a listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin 2 Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 I think Zimmer uses the synths because it's what he always does. I wish he would stop though. If you listen to cues like Patricide you can hear what Zimmer can achieve without those evil synths.Justin - Who thinks The Last Samurai suffers slightly from the synths as well. (Otherwise a great score.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melange 446 Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 One kind word. One full Hug. One small Bassoon. One OboeWould have been like the sun on my heart for a 1000 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin 2 Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 Aye.Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 29, 2005 Author Share Posted January 29, 2005 One kind word. One full Hug. One small Bassoon. One OboeWould have been like the sun on my heart for a 1000 years.I'm sorry, what????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melange 446 Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 Wasn't that what Joaquin Phoenix said in that scene?Excluding the Bassoon and Oboe reference, of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 29, 2005 Author Share Posted January 29, 2005 Haven't seen Gladiator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 The difficulty of Zimmer's scores is that you don't really know who wrote what. Too many additional composers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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