Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 On the other hand: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Finally, how many notes Jóhannsson took to talk to the extra-terrestrials? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 5 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: On the other hand: What is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Canada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Papa!!! Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 I knew it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostoman17 14 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Johannsson's scores generally sounds awesome in a film. They fit and even enhance the movie's atmosphere so to say. But is it possible to daily-listen to them while, for example, driving a car? Not really... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 It is possible for at least me, my wife, and my children. How do you account for this? KK, to answer your question from another thread, I think this score is excellent in every respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Very cool interview with Johannsson about the score: Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 I'm listening to the score, as I type this. Does anyone have a chronological running order, yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 2 hours ago, Richard said: I'm listening to the score, as I type this. Does anyone have a chronological running order, yet? On 11/7/2016 at 5:25 PM, Skelly said: You can listen to the entire score here (totally legally): http://cuttingedge.sourceaudio.com/#!explorer?b=3633798 The tracks are all in alphabetical order, but according to the slates the chronological order is: Reveal hidden contents Shells Landing Around The Clock News The Shell Approaching The Shell Fear Of The Shells Logogram Breakthrough Fear of The Shells v2 Hazmat Off Teaching Montage Fear of the Shells v3 The Big Question Planting The Bomb Explosion Ultimatum One Of Twelve Non Zero Sum Game No Linear Time Military Buildup Decyphering Louise Calls Chang Shells Rise End Credits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Thank you for that, Jay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 I'm calling it right here, right now. This will be Johannsson's 3rd Oscar nomination in a row and this is the movie and year I think he will win. (I should also mention, I think this OST is incredible and the win would be richly deserved) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 I agree. He's the most probable winner (regardless of the quality of the score). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Of what's been released so far I'd certainly agree that this has been the best. Any other big big hitters yet to come? and don't mention Djiatchino and Rogue One Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 1 minute ago, Bilbo Skywalker said: Of what's been released so far I'd certainly agree that this has been the best. Any other big big hitters yet to come? and don't mention Djiatchino and Rogue One La La Land, although for obvious reasons it's more likely to get one or more Best Original Song nominations. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 2 hours ago, BloodBoal said: I agree. He's the most probable winner (regardless of the quality of the score). Jóhannsson will definitely be nominated. But La La Land will win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,506 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Right now, ARRIVAL is not on my Top 10 list of the year, as much as I like it -- but I need to spend more time with the album first. Wouldn't be surprised if it gets nominated, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Since there isn't a thread specifically for this film, I'll post this here. One of my favorite writers analyzing films is David Bordwell (he's more an academic than a critic) and he just posted a really good essay specifically about the way Arrival plays with time and the viewer's perception of it. I highly recommend reading this to anyone who saw the movie! ARRIVAL: When is Now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,506 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 9 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Since there isn't a thread specifically for this film, I'll post this here. One of my favorite writers analyzing films is David Bordwell (he's more an academic than a critic) and he just posted a really good essay specifically about the way Arrival plays with time and the viewer's perception of it. I highly recommend reading this to anyone who saw the movie! ARRIVAL: When is Now? Thanks for the tip! Bordwell is probably the biggest 'film critic/scholar superstar' in the world, and I've used him plenty of times over the years -- both as a student and lecturer. Especially his cornerstone books "Classical Hollywood Cinema" and "Film Art" (often in collaboration with his wife Kristin Thompson). I'd be curious to read anything he has to say, especially on more contemporary films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 http://www.filmtracks.com/titles/arrival.html Bah! I think I may have officially lost my patience with Clemmenson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Why does every review this guy writes get linked to here? I mean, who cares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Because people still think his opinions matters, or is relevant in any way. 6 minutes ago, KK said: http://www.filmtracks.com/titles/arrival.html Bah! I think I may have officially lost my patience with Clemmenson. Because he holds a different opinion about something as mundane as a film score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, KK said: http://www.filmtracks.com/titles/arrival.html Bah! I think I may have officially lost my patience with Clemmenson. Don't lie to us or yourself: you will always be a Filmtrackser at heart! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 I bet they have a review of his FOTR live-to-screen experience! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 I have respect for him, and enjoy some of the snarkier bits of his reviews. But this one just rubbed me the wrong way. 9 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Because he holds a different opinion about something as mundane as a film score? No, because he expresses an opinion, chooses not to justify it, and then dismisses all those who do not share that opinion as morons who can't "see the obvious". It's all just pointless snark without any attempt at a discussion at the merits or lack-of. I've known about his narrow perspective on film music for a while, but this one might take the cake. It's worse than JWFan's most conservative old coots. I guess it wouldn't mind so much if he didn't have a readership of about a million who genuinely look to his reviews to guide them in their formative years of exploring film music. I know how impressionable many of them can be to CC's reviews, because I was one of them. And reviews like this are the ones that continue to breed ignorance with a field as diverse as this one. As if there is only a single way to approach emotion, and a single way to score any film, and any score that fails to fit that mould is an automatic failure... The fanboys over the scoreboard aren't doing any favours either. Nor are those trying to "critique" him... Sorry, long day. In a bit of a mood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 minute ago, KK said: Sorry, long day. In a bit of a mood. Aren't we all these days. I agree with you about CC's reviewing style though. It's ultimately quite narrow-minded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Stefancos said: Aren't we all these days. I agree with you about CC's reviewing style though. It's ultimately quite narrow-minded. It's not being narrow-minded to think orchestral music is better than droning, sound design-like material, it's called "being right"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: http://www.filmtracks.com/comments/titles/journey_island/index.cgi?profile=kk Fucker! I need to delete that bloody profile... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: It's not being narrow-minded to think orchestral music is better than droning, sound design-like material, it's called "being right"! It depends... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Just now, BloodBoal said: It's not being narrow-minded to think orchestral music is better than droning, sound design-like material, it's called "being right"! I like you Alvar, so I'll let this one slide. But don't shit with me. Besides, that's not the point. He didn't have the courtesy to try and justify that "stance". You know...review it? Instead, he just dismisses it as lazy, uninspired and so forth, when clearly this score is one with a lot of thought put into it. I mean he didn't just copy and paste a bunch of sounds together? And just because it's not your cup of tea, doesn't mean it's fact, and that everyone else is objectively wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, KK said: I need to delete that bloody profile... And you think Alvar doesnt have the text saved somewhere? Ready for him to use it at any opportunity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Just now, Stefancos said: It depends... Context is everything. CC's reviews often tend to forget that in a sense, and it's why they can be kinda shallow, or frustrating, like this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Just now, KK said: I like you Alvar, so I'll let this one slide. But don't shit with me. For A Canadian that's about as rude as it goes right? Did you feel an instinctive urge to immediately apologize to BB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Stefancos said: And you think Alvar doesnt have the text saved somewhere? Ready for him to use it at any opportunity? Oh I'm sure of that. That sneaky little bastard will destroy me some day, I'm sure of it. He is my brother after all. 1 minute ago, Stefancos said: For A Canadian that's about as rude as it goes right? Did you feel an instinctive urge to immediately apologize to BB? Yes...the hesitation was strong. My Kanadian guilt was instantaneous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 So you are Alvar's brother? How is Alice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 13 minutes ago, Stefancos said: I bet they have a review of his FOTR live-to-screen experience! Sooon....soooooooooon.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 My least favorite thing about CC's reviews is the way he characterizes the opinions of those who disagree with him. Sure is easy to knock down counter-arguments of shoddily constructed straw men! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Stefancos said: So you are Alvar's brother? How is Alice? I'm not allowed to see her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Just now, Disco Stu said: My least favorite thing about CC's reviews is the way he characterizes the opinions of those who disagree with him. Sure is easy to knock down counter-arguments of shoddily constructed straw men! Indeed. But heck I'm not even as bothered by that as I am by how he upholds his definition of "good film music" (where every score has to sound like Star Wars, with the thematic construction of LOTR... ) as the one and only valid way to approach music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Besides, he gave a PERFECT, FIVE-STAR review to John Debney's Jungle Book score last year. That's.... a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 True. Though I find very little of worth in what I've heard of Arrival's score, or Johannsson's other work. Sounding more akin to the more eclectic stylings of Media Ventures/RCP than the work of a serious artist as he appears to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 There's a lot more craft to it than that, in my opinion. And I think I've written enough essays on this thread and forum on why I think so. But hey I can respect that you don't dig it. Although are you not the least bit intrigued by that final cue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 It's one of those scores that really needs the film to have any resonance for me. (Like how The Dark Knight is a fantastic and effective score when seen with the film, but very hollow when I listen to it on it's own, something I no longer do with that score, tbh...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,336 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Re-release Arrival in theatres with new footage! Is this a first?! http://www.heyuguys.com/arrival-rerelease/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 24 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: Re-release Arrival in theatres with new footage! Is this a first?! http://www.heyuguys.com/arrival-rerelease/ No, Close Encounters was rereleased in the cinemas with some new footage, in the early 80's I believe. Same for E.T. in 2002. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,336 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Just now, Stefancos said: Same for E.T. in 2002. I know, 10 years later, so that's not the curious part. Arrival is still new, I think it is still playing in cinemas here and already it's being re-released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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