SafeUnderHill 205 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Isn't here an animatic of the original prologue somewhere in the Extended Edition extras? I imagine that could be quite close to what Shore originally scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Who says The Prophecy was originally 4 minutes?Plenty of tracks on the OST were shortened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 On 8/29/2013 at 7:00 AM, BloodBoal said: Yeah, but even if it was edited, I doubt that it was meant to score that version of that prologue, which as I said, didn't go beyond the storyboard phase. Why would they record music for something they're not even sure they're going to shoot? That brings me to something, in some of the trailers, there is Dialogue by Gandalf that was not in the movie, perhaps this dialogue was recorded for a version of the prologue? I seem to recall the EE commentaries saying that numerous candidates were considered for narrating the prologue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Yes. Bilbo and Mithrandir were also considered and even recorded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 I believe they shot Gandalf telling Frodo the story that eventually became the prologue (Sauron's downfall) in Bag End, which obviously ultimately moved to a self-standing prologue narrated by Galadriel in the final cut. I'm sure along the way there was a version narrated by Gandalf too. There is even more recordings of Gandalf's narration for it in some of the video games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 There is even more recordings of Gandalf's narration for it in some of the video games.Really? which ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 I don't recall, I've never played any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 There is even more recordings of Gandalf's narration for it in some of the video games.Really? which ones?I've only played the RotK game, but it does have narration by McKellen that is not in the films. It sounds like material that was recorded exclusively for the game, though, and in many cases seems to be based on dialogue from the films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted August 10, 2014 Author Share Posted August 10, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 There were many, many iterations of the prologue, both editorial and musical. There is an alternate on the rarities disc (with the book) that expands on the material heard in The Prophecy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,364 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 That isn't the only difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Indeed. And it's more like the OST version than the film version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Indeed. And it's more like the OST version than the film version.Yeah but contains some similar elements that found their way into the final film version but really the Prophecy on the OST sounds like a condensation or edited down version of the alternate Prologue found on the Rarities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Indeed. And it's more like the OST version than the film version.Yeah but contains some similar elements that found their way into the final film version but really the Prophecy on the OST sounds like a condensation or edited down version of the alternate Prologue found on the Rarities.It's more or less the second half of the version on the rarities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jim Ware 526 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I believe The Power of Mordor is in there. That doesn't reappear again until Return of the King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I think the version of POWER OF MORDOR in "The Prophecy" is an alternate for the REVELATION OF THE RINGWRAITHS statement in the Rarities "Prologue".Compare 2:11 of "The Prophecy" to 2:45 of the Rarities "Prologue". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I believe The Power of Mordor is in there. That doesn't reappear again until Return of the King.Except for that short moment in Council of Elrond. So there's no real analysis of 'The Prophecy'? It seems mostly like it is not made up the themes listed in Doug's list (except Gollum's theme near the end). Are the phrasing suggesting the History of the Ring (sounds like it to me)?The alternate Prologue features The Power of Mordor in a lengthy development with additional choral material unique to this version of the prologue, Footsteps of Doom, Gondor (Second Age variant, which is not end like either the Decline or the Ascension variation), The Ringwraiths Theme (with the lyrics from Battle of Dagorlad not the usual Revelation of the Ringwraiths), Nameless Fear, Gollum's Pity and the Shire theme hinted in the trumpet at the end.The similarities between the final film version mostly have to do with the footage of the Misty Mountains and Gollum, scored with Gollum's Pity and the subsequent Nameless Fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I believe The Power of Mordor is in there. That doesn't reappear again until Return of the King.Except for that short moment in Council of Elrond. Indeed! Having just revisited a pile of Fellowship material I should have remembered that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I believe The Power of Mordor is in there. That doesn't reappear again until Return of the King.Except for that short moment in Council of Elrond. Indeed! Having just revisited a pile of Fellowship material I should have remembered that!And that is the only time we hear it before RotK. A really subtle hint before it is unleashed in full in the siege of Minas Tirith as the Nazgûl descend on the city. It was interesting to find out that Shore had written right in the beginning. I remember making the connection while watching FotR (having listened to the OST countless times) and then again in RotK although it took a bit more time to connect the phrases from OSTs Prophecy track with the militant screaming chant where the melody is slightly obscured. It was more the rhythm of the words that made the connection for me initially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I believe The Power of Mordor is in there. That doesn't reappear again until Return of the King.Except for that short moment in Council of Elrond. So there's no real analysis of 'The Prophecy'? It seems mostly like it is not made up the themes listed in Doug's list (except Gollum's theme near the end). Are the phrasing suggesting the History of the Ring (sounds like it to me)?The alternate Prologue features The Power of Mordor in a lengthy development with additional choral material unique to this version of the prologue, Footsteps of Doom, Gondor (Second Age variant, which is not end like either the Decline or the Ascension variation), The Ringwraiths Theme (with the lyrics from Battle of Dagorlad not the usual Revelation of the Ringwraiths), Nameless Fear, Gollum's Pity and the Shire theme hinted in the trumpet at the end.And cor anglais history of the ring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I believe The Power of Mordor is in there. That doesn't reappear again until Return of the King.Except for that short moment in Council of Elrond. So there's no real analysis of 'The Prophecy'? It seems mostly like it is not made up the themes listed in Doug's list (except Gollum's theme near the end). Are the phrasing suggesting the History of the Ring (sounds like it to me)?The alternate Prologue features The Power of Mordor in a lengthy development with additional choral material unique to this version of the prologue, Footsteps of Doom, Gondor (Second Age variant, which is not end like either the Decline or the Ascension variation), The Ringwraiths Theme (with the lyrics from Battle of Dagorlad not the usual Revelation of the Ringwraiths), Nameless Fear, Gollum's Pity and the Shire theme hinted in the trumpet at the end.And cor anglais history of the ringI can't recall hearing it in this incarnation of the piece. Time stamps?Or would you be refering to the version in the LotR symphony? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I believe The Power of Mordor is in there. That doesn't reappear again until Return of the King.Except for that short moment in Council of Elrond. So there's no real analysis of 'The Prophecy'? It seems mostly like it is not made up the themes listed in Doug's list (except Gollum's theme near the end). Are the phrasing suggesting the History of the Ring (sounds like it to me)?The alternate Prologue features The Power of Mordor in a lengthy development with additional choral material unique to this version of the prologue, Footsteps of Doom, Gondor (Second Age variant, which is not end like either the Decline or the Ascension variation), The Ringwraiths Theme (with the lyrics from Battle of Dagorlad not the usual Revelation of the Ringwraiths), Nameless Fear, Gollum's Pity and the Shire theme hinted in the trumpet at the end.And cor anglais history of the ringI can't recall hearing it in this incarnation of the piece. Time stamps?Or would you be refering to the version in the LotR symphony?The Evil/History hybrid appears on cor anglais - it could be that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perdogg 1 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 I have a question about the Soundtrack version of "The Prophecy". Why is there a non film version on the official soundtrack as opposed to the film version that is on the expanded/complete set? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Every single track on the FOTR OST is different from the film version in some way. Shore crafted the listening experience he wanted for the OST regardless of how PJ changed stuff in the final cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted August 8, 2015 Author Share Posted August 8, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Yes I think this was discussed and speculated on before and people did tests with the lengthier version of the alternate Prologue found on Rarities disc (of which the Prophecy is a shorter edit) and set it against the Prologue footage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Faleel 5,348 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 There were people with computers long before me SUH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 The entirely different thematic take on the material is what is actually the most interesting thing about it. Plus that the piece of music is brilliant and would have made a great overture for the film. But then again I love the film version to bits too as it sets the thematic board very well and prepares the audience for what is to come musically by introducing many of the central themes and especially the History of the Ring theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted August 8, 2015 Author Share Posted August 8, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 I think they had some different ideas for the character who would do the voice over, Gandalf or Frodo at one point if I remember correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Faleel 5,348 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 It always seemed pretty obvious to me.I mean, the title card would have never played without music.It's possible the music scoring it wasn't on the track. And it's not immediately obvious to me which part of it plays over the titles.00:00 - 00:37: New Line/Wingnut title cardMeaning when Galadriel's narration begins correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 There are three possiblities:1: The scene was shorter2: The OST and Rarities version of the prologue are two different takes on the sequence but there is some stuff in the Rarities version that was also in that earlier version but was edited out3: The OST and Rarities version of the prologue are two different edits of the same version (very unlikely) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 The entirely different thematic take on the material is what is actually the most interesting thing about it. Plus that the piece of music is brilliant and would have made a great overture for the film. But then again I love the film version to bits too as it sets the thematic board very well and prepares the audience for what is to come musically by introducing many of the central themes and especially the History of the Ring theme.Maybe it should still be an overture. That actually seems like a good idea. Play it over a black screen, then start the movie. Great mood setter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,364 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 On 8/29/2013 at 6:10 AM, SafeUnderHill said: Thinking about how Doug Adams can't answer questions about the hobbit yet, does this mean he's 100% open to talking about the LOTR scores or are there still unanswered questions? I'd love to know what the prologue on the fellowship OST was exactly meant to score. On 8/10/2014 at 0:33 PM, SafeUnderHill said: Just a quick question, is the track from the FOTR OST 'The Prophecy' discussed or analysed anywhere (perhaps in Doug's book?, but that seems to focus on CRs). Originally I was bummed the soundtrack didn't contain the great music from the film and the title music, but lately I've grown very fond of it. It sounds so ancient and precious, I know it scored an earlier shorter version of the prologue. Perhaps this version contains scenes from the final version, just not all of them. In which case, has anyone tried to sync it to clips from the prologue? On 8/8/2015 at 11:59 AM, SafeUnderHill said: I don't know how much people have figured out about the placement of 'The Prophecy' over footage from the LOTR prologue, but I asked Doug about the main titles. https://twitter.com/DougAdamsMusic/status/630011871693828096 This is hilarious. Apparently, every August, @SafeUnderHill thinks about The Prophecy again and posts about it. You can set a clock to it! Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,364 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 I suppose I should merge the August 2016 discussion into here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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