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I read somewhere that he did, but also in more other places that he didn't. But if he didn't Lucas could just film that shot for the DVD like in LOTR. But then he could also be tempted to include Neeson in ROTJ, which would be ridiculous, but not for the change itself, which would be much more reasonable that putting Hayden in, but for another change.

And I thoght we had a problem here in Spain with titles... Some examples: Jaws - Shark Lake Placid - Jaws

I thought the rebel alliance was forged after palpatine becomes emperor. But the it would make sense to happen after if Padme is the leader of the oppositors to the Chancellor. If it's not in the end I'm not sure it should be in. Politics scenes are generally slow and the second quarter fo the movie is the slowest part of the film and for some too slow. Besides it would distract people from the real puropose of that quarter of the movie, that is, helping us buying Anakin's betrayal. If it doesn't make it for me now, I'm not sure how it would work with a distracting subplot in there. And yes, bring Liam Neeson back!

I guess they talk about the deleted scenes. There has never been new scenes on DVD but changes to scenes on the DVD, apart from the taxi scene on TPM, that was like a 'Hey, we can do skyscrapers', not important at all. Remember the new Jabba was for the theratical new release. I bet that the subplot is the birth of the rebel alliance. That would mean that it's in the end of the movie, and I don't think they plan to change things that near the end. OTOH I guess there will be some minor changes, as we are used to, but not a big one like introducing a new subplot.

Do or do not, there is no try. Now seriously, I'd love if he came here to Spain. And it would be a perfect excuse for me to go to Zaragoza...

I know the official story about being step-brothers that was told in Ep II. Star Wars.com databank is awesome for those things. I just wanted to know if at some point before the PT came out something else besides the step-brother thing is implied somewhere as if Lucas had other ideas in his head. Cause the Lars lines about Vader in ANH seems rather nonsense now. I mean, they meet like, 20 seconds!, including the 'to find my mother, you helpless asshole! line; that's not a deep relation to talk about with a feeling of nostalgia. I'd already read about Owen and Ben Kenobi being brothers in the novel of ROTJ but I also read that it was only in the first editions and then it was corrected. For those who live in spain, can the novels from the OT can be found now in stores?

I've been thinking about it after Episode III. Well in fact I thought it after Ep II and then I remebered again. What is the real link with Vader in the OT? Cause in ANW we only heard that he was uncle Owen (no last name) and he talked about Luke's father as his own brother, saying that he went on the clone wars and that he didn't cause he was a coward When then you see ESB, and you learn that Vader is Luke's father, then Owen becomes Vader's brother. Why then everything becomes so unnatural in the PT? Is just to make Anakin a virgin's child? I mean, did Lucas change everything in what was supposedly the background of the story? Another question in this direction: Is there anything, novels or other things from the OT that said what exactly were the clone wars? Because it looks to me as another change for "story's" sake. In fact in Imdb it says that ESB draft desctibed Lando as a clone that had survived with some others from the CW. Then it was obviously changed. I guess all has been discused before (probably along time ago, in a galaxy...) but I'd like some answers from anyone that has info apart from that in the movies.

PoA, after watching the movie. Then I realised that what seemed a collection of good themes was actually a wonderful score.

Hey! What's the problem with us! By the way, the last movie I saw was The Two Towers; it was the third time I had seen it (theater, extended were the others) I was not much impressed by Gollum and Andy Serkis this time. Not even with Weta Workshop's work. And the problem of the movie is that in the editing room most of the character secuences were droped, except for those with Aragorn and Arwen. And those weren't really good, Liv Tyler was specially unbelievable. And the score... during Helm's Deep I was wishing for Williams' battle music.

I sometimes go through an orgy like this, but man, 7 hours! I never last that long. Do you use tantra or something?

The most impressive was the Han Solo & The Princess one. OMG!

From BSOspirit, a spanish site about scores I recommend to you all, I found a Williams Trivia. It's one of those excel files in which you have to identify the movie after a piece of information; in this case, double click on the speakers to here and excerpt and then type the title (of the movie it belongs to) just below. For those who haven't tried one of these before, the title must match the words in the file. For example, in ESB, it must be "the empire strikes back" and not "empire strikes back". In some you'll have to try 2 or 3 times because of this. My mark was so ridicously low that I won't post it here http://www.bsospirit.com/trivia/triviwilliams.zip For more trivia, http://www.bsospirit.com/trivia.html

After the complete score work, i think we can trust you

In track one we have a big crecendo than then states Grievous theme. In the movie in not like that, as there some other music after the crescendo. That statement of Grievous theme is heard in fact the first time we see Grievous, that scene in whcih he enters a room and the camera follows him turning around. In the beginning of Obi vs Grievous you can hear what I though was music from other scene, and if I'm not mistaken it is the second quarter of Grievous speaks to Lord Sidious, the part with the chorus (which obviously had been heard complete in the scene where we see the Grievous ship going from somewhere to somewhere (to many scenes like that)).

No doubts about this. DotF

I'll stay with BatB. Though when on the Aladdin DVD I learned Menken had won so many Oscars I couldn't believe. And they refuse to give them to our Johny.

How the hell do you use the Chat Room? I click on let's go and my nick appears, but then nothing happens and if I click on the SPChat image they say it's under construction!!

After RotS it's seems pretty obvious to me that it is Anakin the Jedi that returns

Luke vs Vader in ESB without doubts

YES

It seemed to me an o'mauge

I also think that Palpatine's master created Anakin. Lucas distroyed that mith mist around the Force with the midiclorians. I can asume that also the profecy mistery is a more rscional fact, that is, anakin was created, I assume that in order to bring balance to the force, to get such a powerful being that it could bring the power back to the dark side.

Well in fact I had mixed feelings after the movie. The fact that the most anticipated scene didn't work for me was dissapointing, but there were also very good scenes, and a great job from Williams. But above all that, the feeling that it was all over.

I finally got to see it yesterday. I went to the only theater in town with a DP. In fact I forced my friends to go there. I was right to do that. When the awful ads began I turned around to see they were coming from the normal projector; and there it was. A huge monster was wating beside to start working in a few minutes. They turned on the lights, turned them off again, and a mini-documentary about digital cinema began. They used a landscape of a snowed mountain as a reference, and I could only think: if this is the way the movie is gonna be, OMG. I thought there would be some trailers but suddenly there it was: the fox fanfare. In the next 140 minutes I'd enjoy an incredible quality a image but, would I enjoy an incredibly good picture? I should say first that the movie was dubbed, so I think I lost some of the good works from the actors, specially McDiarmid, but also the supposedly bad ones. The movie began, as of course you all know by now, with a huge space battle; probably the biggest in the PT. Was it as good as Yavin or Endor? No of course, because there was no drama here. Just fun. Is it bad? I don't think so, this is the beggining of the movie, of a sad movie. A little fun is not bad. Some people say there were too much jokes, but they were fine IMO. The parody about how R2 is always around to save the day is a good homage to a character that, minutes later, would gain a whole new hint. The SW saga is a fantasy journey, with adventure, drama, love, and also, comedy. In these first minutes of film we also see the two most underused characters in the movie: Dooku and Grievous. In fact, I think that using Dooku instead of Grievous would have been the same in terms of story. What do they have with Christopher Lee and third parts? RotK and now this. Man, you have a legend before you, you can do better. Before we get in the important parts of the movie, I'd like to point out that killing Grievous with a gun was very significant. Given that there were lots of duels in the movie and that Grievous is only a pawn in Palpatine's chessboard, it was not that bad that he gets killed in a less espectacular way than in other duels. I like the way this is lost to give way to the idea of a new era, the era of the blaster. Then we have the second quarter of the movie. This part was ment to be able to make you understand Anakin's decission. Does it make it? Not quite. At leastin my first viewing. We get to see how Anakin is not trusted by the the Council, how he fears Padme would die as his mother did, and how Palpatine tempts him. We also have a key scene, which comes way too early, and loses all of its strength in our mind and so in our (at least mine) understanding of Anakin's betrayal. I'm talkin about Anakin asking for advice to Yoda. Anakin finds in the light side of the force just the opposite as in the dark side. While he finds support and hope in Palpatine, he only finds a cold "forget that person" from Yoda. If we are to believe Anakin's betrayal is based on love, we must understand clearrly the two alternatives, which are represented by Palpatine in the dark side, and a too difuse chain of characters in the light side (Yoda, Obiwan and the Council). By the time Palpatine reveals himself, it should be crystal-clear that Anakin feels betrayed in first place: betrayed by the Jedi order, who doesn't trust him nor Palpatine, who should be clear by now is nearly as important in his life as Obiwan and Padme. Unfortunately it's not clear, blame AotC. But also betrayed by the light side. Anakin wanted to become the most powerful Jedi ever, Anakin wanted power. But for this, he had to forget about Padme, and he was not ready for this. The Jedi had promised him power, but not at this price. He had been betrayed. Do we have this in mind in Palpatine's revelation? I don't think so. By that time I thought Anakin felt untrusted by the Jedi, was really scared about losing Padme and had been tempted by Palpatine. Tempted, and not seduced. If he had been seduced, his betrayal could have been read as a thought option. With lines like "only through me you can save Padme", we can understand that he betrays Windu, but not his abrupt turn to the dark side. With this sudden change of side, in some minutes he is about to kill Palpatine as the dark lord unmasked and then shortly after he is his faithful servant, I just can't believe he doesn't regret on his way to the Jedi temple, before killing the younglings or in Mustafar. I just can't. It was something difficult to achive in a "pop-corn" movie like Star Wars, where you can't have a lot of dialogue cause people will start to get bored. Lucas had 3 films to do this. He didn't take the chance. Some of you might be thinkin that you did feel what I didn't, so the betrayal was OK. That's good, but it didn't work for any of my friends. Others might be thinking that after watching the movie and thinkin about it you felt the betrayal was OK. That's what I think now. But that's not the way movies work. You can have think-provoking movies, which make you think about certain topic in our society after it was treated in the movie. That's great. But in a journey like this, where a character becomes evil, you must understand what's going on during the movie, not afterwards. And that's a major flaw in my opinion. After Palpatine's revelation everything gets much better. We see how everything was perfectly planned so that "the republic will be reorganised into the first galactic empire" and so on. I even liked very much that it was Obiwan who aims to kill Anakin and not the opposite. The order 66 secuence was great, and it had been even better if it wasn't for Lucas' obsession with exotic environments (what's with that huge plants planet? Hey George this is drama man, you can use dark scenarios, it happens a lot in that what we call movies, even in some called, oh yes, the original trilogy!). I also loved the murder of the federation people edited along the galactic empire scene, though the anti-Bush statements - "this is how democracy dies, with a thunderosu applause" and "if you're not with me you're my enemy" were a bit too obvious. Anakin vs Obiwan and Yoda vs Palpatine was OK, but I felt that Yoda surrender too early, and I hoped more dialogue in Vader vs Obiwan. This should also have been drama after all. But this is fixed in the next secuence, the inmolation scene. It was appaling to see Anakin suffer, and see Obiwan leaving him as if he ment nothing for him. After all, "the boy he trained, gone he is, consumed by Darth Vader". I know, the word consumed is perfect in this case. And of course we come to the use of both births altogether, and I don't mean Luke and Leia but the twins and Vader. That's the way it had to be, and was brilliantly executed. About Frankestein and all, I think it as OK, he is a monster after all. And I felt terribly sorry when Anakin asks about Padme and he learns she is dead. No, she learns he killed her. Now we know he would live all the years to come with that responsibility. I hated that they removed the Qui-Gon scene, cause it makes the plans for the twins scene very weird. Qui-Gon? After two movies? (at least for the general audience, which in their most part didn't notice Qui-Gon's NO!! in AotC). I loved the fact that only 3PO has his memory erased. And this is the new hint about R2D2 we learned. He knows all from the beggining, who is Leia, Obiwan, Luke and also Vader. The end is very moving, though very predictable. But I guess that's the way we all hoped it to be. To understand the cast work I need to see it in English to have a real opinion. They were better than I thought though, but the precedent movies didn't give me much hope. About the visual effects, well, they were much better than those in AotC, though the clones heads were just horrible. At least the backgrounds were in general believable, though the binary sunset scene seemed very obvious to be a matte. If anyone is wondering about John Williams, well I need a few more lines to describe how tempted I felt to stand up and applause in several cues. But after more than an hour of writing, I think that will be some other time.

In two hours and 21 minutes I'll be hearing, at last!, the fox fanfare. Wish me luck LOL (well Neil can pray for my soul )