Yavar Moradi

Just over half the score is unreleased. (I have a film rip which runs under 62 minutes, while the original album's score portion runs under 30.) That said, I can honestly tell you as a huge Poledouris fan: the unreleased music is nothing to write home about. Practically every highlight is on the original album, and the unreleased stuff, although there are a few nice bits, is mostly not of great interest (most isn't orchestral, but is slight variations on the dated synthy friendship material). This is a rare Poledouris score that to me would not play stronger in complete form, even if I'd certainly buy an expansion and there might be a few more cues I'd add in to my playlist. Now... I *also* have a complete film rip of the Poledouris score for Free Willy 2...it runs almost 65 minutes. And every note of it is fantastic. It takes the themes of the original score and builds on them with interesting new developments. It introduces a few new themes and integrates and develops them perfectly with the older material. It is sweeping, epic orchestral ocean-y music, with some neat new organic elements like acoustic guitar and less of a synthy feel. Seriously, every cue is wonderful and all that's been released of this amazing score is a paltry 10.5 minutes (three cues) on the original soundtrack album. The Free Willy scores on either side of it have had almost 3x as much music released, but this is the best of the three scores hands down! So that's what you should be pining after, trust me. If it ever comes out people will be blown away. IMO it's the most important Poledouris, expansion or premiere, that could be released at this point. Yavar

Thanks so much @lairdo for the positive feedback – I passed it on to Leigh! It certainly looks like it will be the first of (hopefully) many, assuming the continue to be as successful as the first campaign was. For anyone interested, this has also been getting a lot of positive feedback on the FSM board thread... https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=147544&forumID=1&archive=0&pageID=3&r=978#bottom Martin B.: chriss: SchiffyM (x3): Joe Sikoryak: Basil Wrathbone: Saul Pincus: simon377: moolik: mark.bagby.19 So if you aren't sure about these admittedly-obscure Goldsmith works, check out that podcast episode linked above and give the samples a shot. You’ll likely feel renewed impetus to pick these up when they're given wide download release in a few weeks... Yavar

No need to trash one good show to prop up the other. Yavar

Glad to hear it's already made a good impression, since I know many people find it fairly rough going at first. (Personally I think it had a much stronger first season than, say, Star Trek: The Next Generation... and Babylon 5 season 1 only improves on a rewatch once you can notice all the ground being laid for the later story.) Anyhow, I'm a fan. In fact, I think it's still my favorite TV show of all time, despite all its flaws (most of the first half of the final season in particular). There are multiple other shows I regard as less flawed/more perfect, but this has been my favorite ever since I first saw it, and I think it always will be. I assume you're watching the new remasters on HBOMax? The Special Edition is an improvement in almost every way, though the original cut is still an interesting curiosity with the non-Christopher Franke score and all... also, the Special Edition does add a spoiler because it was essentially released for fans after the first four seasons of the show (so it wasn't a spoiler at that point). It's blink-and-you'll-miss-it though, so luckily it sounds like you probably missed it. Yeah, this situation is kinda infamous and led to a lot of strife between Babylon 5 and Trek fandom in the 90s (despite there being a lot of cross-pollination of talent both onscreen and off!) The short version is that a few years before DS9 and B5 began (he had been working on it since the late 80s), J. Michael Straczynski pitched his concept for Babylon 5 to Paramount executives... aaaand they essentially stole his basic idea for the show, and slapped "Star Trek" on it since that was their already successful franchise. Now the DS9 showrunners themselves probably knew little or nothing about this, and they freely did their own thing with the basic premise. But there continue to be some shocking apparent lifts that unfortunately continue throughout, like them introducing the Kasidy Yates character several seasons in...even though Babylon 5 had a similar character introduced early in its first season. Then you rightly observe a similarity between the Cardassian/Bajoran and Centauri/Narn situations. There are some other weird coincidences too throughout, but ultimately the shows are fairly different in both style and content, and I'm personally quite happy they both exist. I think fairly soon you'll be able to start seeing Londo as his own character, and the Centauri as their own race, rather than Quark/Ferengi-like. I'm so glad to hear you already love it; each season only gets better (until the final season, for reasons I can go into if you're interested) so just you wait! The music comes off as very dated at first IMO, but each season's scoring gets better and better from Christopher Franke IMO (*including* the final season, which has some of his best work). There are some absolutely incredible scoring moments from seasons 3-5 (and particularly the wonderful first TV movie, In the Beginning). I'll be curious whether any scoring stands out to you as particularly strong from the first season or two. There are a few moments I have in mind which might qualify. Oh you're in for a treat; that's one of the coolest reveals in the show! Yavar

Or simply a second disc featuring the original album program. So far I don't think anyone has suggested a score that was rejected before being recorded (i.e. Goldsmith's rejected scores for Babe or Disney's The Kid). Yavar

Yes indeed. LIFEFORCE would be a "hodge-podge of both" example....and also SLIVER which LLL put out not that long ago (including both the complete Howard Shore score plus the additional music by Christopher Young: https://lalalandrecords.com/sliver-limited-edition/ Yavar

I guess you must not have hit "refresh", because I literally added the second sentence for clarity immediately after I hit "post".

Let's not rule out a variation of this, let's call it "Scenario 2a", for when different scores were written for different territories (neither really "rejected"). Everyone knows about the two Legends by Goldsmith and Tangerine Dream, but there's also the Goldsmith/John Scott scores for SPYS (obviously unlikely since LLL recently premiered the complete Goldsmith just last year, and it's still in print), plus Conti/Serra on The Big Blue or Conti/Scott on A Prayer for the Dying... go to the Golden Age and there are LOTS of examples of Italian films scored by Italian composers in Italy, but given scores by other composers outside of Italy. Yavar

What wasn't clear? Yavar

Bernstein scored BOTH unrelated (aside from the title; these were not remakes) films, just like Jerry Goldsmith scored the 1975 BABE *and* the 1995 BABE (well, 85% of the latter anyway). If you don't believe me for some reason, here's agent Richard Kraft on the subject: https://perspectiveforum.net/2016/05/22/my-savior-elmer-bernstein/ Yavar

This is 1 film. I'm talking about Bernstein's original rejected score for Rat Race (2001), not his 60s film score *The* Rat Race (released by Kritzerland). Yavar

No, I think it can also mean Intrada is putting out two NEW separate albums of music for the same film, soon. Roger didn't say anything about whether either composer's work was previously released. But I still think Journey of Natty Gann is a good guess! It could also be another rejected Bernstein score though, which hasn't yet been released: How about Rat Race, paired with an expansion of the John Powell score? Or how about A River Runs Through It, paired with an expansion of the Mark Isham score? All that's "out there" of the Bernstein score on this is his main theme, performed live at USC years back (I was there in person), conducted by his son Peter: I'd certainly be in for either... and I think there are more totally unreleased rejected Bernstein scores besides those two! Yavar

No rejected score to my knowledge, and therefore also no way it would get to 3 CDs. But would love Intrada to expand that sometime! How about an expansion of a DIFFERENT (Disney-controlled) Hollywood Records album? I'm thinking LES MISERABLES, my favorite Basil Poledouris score, spread over 2CDs (maybe the original four-suite album included on disc 2)? And then the 1CD would be for the rejected Gabriel Yared score for the same film! Yavar

That's how I interpreted it too. (I'm not sure whether this is the original recording, which was released as a DVD extra over the main titles, or whether someone took Mancini's later re-recording of the MT and put it over the film...) Yavar

So some updates! The project was successful, of course -- in fact it even went more than £1,000 over the stretch goal to add on a second score: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/129592672/the-bar-mitzvah-of-major-orlovsky-jerry-goldsmith/ Both Goldsmith GE Theater scores were recorded, and the 154 backers received their lossless digital copy of "The Bar Mitzvah of Major Orlovsky" early yesterday morning, and those who did the stretch goal also got "Sarah's Laughter" this morning. Getting lots of great feedback on these already! They should be available for wide download purchase in a month or so, but for anyone interested (whether or not they were a Kickstarter backer), here's an in depth conversation with Leigh Phillips about these new recordings, with substantial sound clips from them! https://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/10957890-production-report-the-bar-mitzvah-of-major-orlovsky-sarah-s-laughter-2022-leigh-phillips-recording Yavar

This thread is sad, and I associate with a lot of it. I've never hidden my passions, and have always embraced my unique tastes even when it led to me being picked on. I think this thread needs a dose of happy, supplied by my friend Ron Burbella at the FSM forum of all places: https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=148214&forumID=1&archive=0 Yavar

I don't. Honestly I rarely listen to Air Force One. It's one of my least favorite types of Goldsmith score (all surface level action). The Hijacking is a good cue to be sure but there's plenty others I'd rather listen to, most of the time... Yavar

That's wonderful! (Now why the hell couldn't Moon Knight get TWO volumes of that length rather than only one??) Yavar

Great news. Glad she's returning to an environment where she has free rein to be creative. Yavar

Yeah, it's just frustrating because I don't want all the non-disc bells-and-whistles, and I'd prefer a normal size box that sits on my shelf with the rest. But I want that SLV because as you say it WAS the movie, when I became a Star Trek fan! There actually was a laserdisc release of the SLV back in the 80s, but it too was fullscreen, not widescreen. Here's a fan-made video from five years ago, basically demonstrating the problem and executing a fix, which will probably now be largely duplicated by Paramount: 45 seconds in you can see what the full screen video looked like. I think it's pretty glaring even in full screen VHS, but imagine how much more unacceptable that would be included in a new widescreen Special Longer Version. Yavar

All previous releases of the SLV were fullscreen, not the original widescreen aspect ratio. Since this is its premiere release in widescreen, that shot would have been REALLY unacceptable, vs. just marginally acceptable in unfinished form, on TV. Yavar

Horner, Goldsmith, or Williams scores from friendly studios which sell out? Not rare. Other composers, or more difficult studios? Very infrequent. Yavar

With JUST 45 MINUTES to go, the Kickstarter stands at an incredible $59,588 from 507 backers, breaking all previous film music new recording crowdfunding campaign records! If you haven't pledged yet, now is your last chance to help get it past the $60,000 threshold! https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/129145902/on-dangerous-ground-the-man-who-knew-too-much-new-recordings This incredible last half day push has been amazing to behold. When I got up this morning it was still over $6000 away. Yavar

Resell it and get the new one! Yavar

Excellent work as usual, Jay! Yavar